Helloween (half-serious)

Really, weren't they as progressive as Fates Warning in the 80s? In my opinion, insofar as 80s power metal bands can have progressive qualities, they beat the crap out of Queensryche and Blind Guardian.

I don't really care if they're here at all, but should we not strive for consistency?

I'd support it too.

My fan-boy-ness for Helloween does not make me blind to Mike's very good points. I may not be familiar
with those other bands but going back and revisiting my favorite Helloween albums recently does show that
the band has prog and non-prog moments, a lot of them non-prog.

However! I would love to see them on the site and I think they have at least enough prog moments to make
Prog-Related. Some of their longer and more thought out tracks should appeal to any prog-metaller. They
may not be pure to the prog-metal genre, but they have their moments. (I think anyways )

As for Chameleon - It's funny because all the metal-heads I've met hate it and most (MOST) of the proggers
I know say it's the only album they like by the band . Maybe it's not a prog album in whole, but it's certainly
an appealing one for people who are into that kind of "artsy" (for lack of a better term) music.

I've been meaning to get over to that site.

As for your other comment - you're probably right, but I'm a bit biased thanks to my love for the band. I think we
need more opinions. I've heard my fair share of power metal (used to love that genre) and I think that Helloween
has a few more moments than others. Only my opinion of course

King By-Tor wrote: I've been meaning to get over to that site. As for your other comment - you're probably right, but I'm a bit biased thanks to my love for the band. I think we need more opinions. I've heard my fair share of power metal (used to love that genre) and I think that Helloween has a few more moments than others. Only my opinion of course

In a way my website is the perfect solution for this ... the tagging system can be seen as a way to gather opinions about music. In this case we can all assign progressiveness levels to Helloween albums (or even tracks) and then examine the result.

OK, let's  include Helloween, then we'll find they played ABBA cover, and let's include ABBA as prog-related.

stonebeard wrote: The Crow wrote: The Blind Guardian case is different, in my opinion... Apart from their first three albums, their metal concept is more complex, variated, and open-minded... They make not the typical power metal, and albums like the very proggy "A Night of the Opera", really make this band worthy of being here. I disagree there. I have not heard Night of the Opera, but I have heard Nightfall in Middle Earth, which is also cited as one of their proggy albums, but I don't really see it.

I think you might need to listen more closely and go down to the musical details ... composition, chord structures, vocal arrangements etc.. The album is really different from any other Power Metal album I know.