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Posted: May 23 2008 at 20:48 |
^ oh I have plans for you... far worse than merely getting you in your sleep
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:26 |
Anyway, micky, i'm off to go and huddle in fear after my dose of bedtime Opeth. Close To The Edge should be done tomorrow, as well as a mystery (1/3 chance...) RPI or non-RPI album. We'll see.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:31 |
have a good night Rob.. can't see what you do... enjoy the hell out of your reviews...
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:46 |
Rob, I agree with the Mickster...and everyone else, those reviews are fantastic. I just got done reading most of 'em on the homepage tonight, there was an absolute sh*tLOAD of quality reviews, so clappies to you for pulling off the always potentially redundant Yes review. It will be interesting to see your take on "the big one"...sheesh it must be up in the 10,000s by now as far as reviews.
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Review 42, Per Un Amico, Premiata
Forneria Marconi, 1972
And though purity is maintained... it
leaves us sterile
This Van Der Graaf Generator lyric is
probably the best description of my 'problem' with Per Un Amico. All
of the music is superb, there are no cracks in the playing, nor any
problems with the flow in a conventional sense. I have difficulty
with this in two ways (both entirely personal taste). I find it
difficult to develop a relation or imagery for any track except the
amazing opener. And, everything is too smoothly connected. It doesn't
really flow and change for me so much as oscillate a little. I can't
really fault anything about the album, but it is simply a nice
listening experience for me, nothing more.
A searing mellotron accompanied by a
beautiful harp introduce the album wonderfully. The amazing Appena Un
Po' is the album's obvious highlight for me. A gentle acoustic from
Mussida leads up to the flute and bursts of harpsichordy sound which
are eventually supplemented by some much heavier keyboards to provide
a vicious atmosphere. From this chaos the beautiful multi-vocals and
soft drumming appear, with a reverent organ leading us slowly up to
the gorgeous mellotron-led section. From here on, the entrancing
atmospheres take us on a journey from a rural Italian mealtime to a
busy city to the mystical beauty of the mellotron-induced
atmospheres. 'Away from here' indeed.
Il Generalissimo is a pretty sharp
contrast with a short drum solo leading to a lightning quick series
of solos, violin and guitar especially. Flavio Premoli gives us some
sharp piano-work, and we receive an excellent dose of guitar(could be
moog, actually)-violin interplay. A humming gives way to military
drumming with Mauro Pagani providing a flute solo before the
keyboards, and then guitar, and then organ come in to provide a level
of pomp. A twisted violin and some more of the moog/guitar from
earlier leads us out. An incredible dose of ideas in only a few
minutes, but I just find it difficult to go beyond the music and
attach an image to it.
Per Un Amico is again a flawless piece
of work, with some beautiful piano, flute and careful drumming
shining throughout, as does the interplay between everything else and
the stretching violin and vocal combination. Throughout, we see the
players exchanging ideas without a flaw, and the Franco Mussida
acoustics around the four minute mark are an absolute joy. Again,
magnificent, but too smooth and musical for me.
Il Banchetto begins with an
acoustic-bass-vocal combination, and the excellent Flavio Premoli
throws us both carefully added piano and organ. A whimsical
piano-drum-flute section and some upbeat cheerful music with slightly
darker edges moves us on to a long jarring moog solo of the most
moogly order with a burst of church organ and then a forceful piano
solo. Some drumming and bass comes in to lead us back to the banquet
theme and the reveling aristocracy. A great showcase of Premoli's
skills, but it doesn't really move me in any way other than
cerebrally.
Geranio is rather gentle, and somewhat
harks back to the opener, with a careful vocal, and a dreamy feel
given a slight edge by the taps of a piano's lower range. A delicate
piano foreshadows a later singing section and builds up gradually in
force and power. After the cheery vocal burst, a clever interplay
between the moog, piano and others brings us to another instrumental
break with a mandocello (I think) being used to full effect. A
combination of haunting keys, tapped drums and tubular bells leads us
out.
Basically, this album is absolutely
essential to try and own, because it's musically flawless.
Unfortunately, apart from the opener, it just doesn't move me. I'm
not quite sure why, maybe it's just the lack of 'psychedelic' (word
abuse) ideas or lyrics I can understand throughout (my snatches of
Italian are unsurprisingly little help), but I would only really have
missed the opener if I didn't own this album. Great stuff, you must
own this, and see if you 'get' it more than I do.
Rating: Four Stars (though a personal
three) Favourite Track: Appena Un Po' -- That's nonsensical enough for me. @ jimmy + Mike. As always, thanks for the kind words Not quite sure what I'm going to do for Close To The Edge myself. Fragile, I simply love South Side way too much, but this is a more balanced album and it's difficult to find a personal approach that's different from those who've gone before on it... Might renege on my promises and review something else instead while I fish for ideas. -- Repeat thingummy.
General Yes discussion now (general guidelines, any discussion beats no discussion): Does
anyone believe that Yes with Kaye had anywhere near such a potent
future or could have done some form of those longer pieces (and why)?
When do Yes take off for you? What effect did Capeman's leaving/arrival
have on the band? Are there any reviews of specific Yes albums that you
think are *just* perfect? etc. Anything goes. I'm going to be
continuing the series up until Relayer, I think, though I might try to
make some sense of GFTO as well. New listens: Ghost Reveries - Opeth . Micky is right about this one. Loved it to pieces, even the 'cookie monster' vocals. 5ish stars. The Rotters' Club - Hatfield And The North Absolute delight to listen to. General nonsense, great suite, superb keys from Dave Stewart, especially with the E-piano. Can't pick a highlight yet, since some of the tracks were short enough that I didn't quite know which one I was listening to. 4-5ish stars. Third - Soft Machine I loved it. Especially the random noise and psychy madness on the opener. 4ish stars from the first listen, but I think it'll grow on me with time.
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 09:37 |
oooohhhh.. reading with pleasure...
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 09:38 |
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thanks... I'll see what I can do...
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 09:49 |
great review Rob .. I understand your points ... but I'll toss this out for discussions sake... I think that downgrading an album for lack of textural tones...or for lack of flow or change is slippery slope. Does YS deserves 4 stars simply because there is nothing pastoral and 'light' on it. It is in a way the polar opposite.. yet the same in many regards as this album.
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 10:19 |
micky wrote:
great review Rob .. I understand your points ... but I'll toss this out for discussions sake... I think that downgrading an album for lack of textural tones...or for lack of flow or change is slippery slope. Does YS deserves 4 stars simply because there is nothing pastoral and 'light' on it. It is in a way the polar opposite.. yet the same in many regards as this album.
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The downgrading isn't because of the lack of change, but more that it doesn't really move me or generally evoke imagery/ideas. If I don't really love (ELP) or find extreme interest (Nursery Cryme) in an album, it won't get the full rating from me, no matter how few holes I can poke in it. The musical 'flow' of the album is perfect in both Ys and Per Un Amico, in my opinion, but it's solely musical flow without any atmospheric/image flow on most of Per Un Amico (for me). Ys has both. It's really just a subpoint of the 'doesn't move me', in this case. In pretty much any given song from Per Un Amico, I feel like I'm oscillating vaguely within the pastoral feel. In Ys, I feel like the music is developing and bringing me through the journey throughout the album. Also, Drama has been great so far (partway through Run Through The Light). I did, for some reason, expect disappointment, but it was definitely worth getting. Thanks for worshipping it on the forums
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 10:55 |
If an album doesn't touch you it would be the worst kind of betrayal to give it five stars. What separates a 4 star album from a 5 star album is that the latter just lifts up your spirit in way that you really can't explain.
I sometimes feel they are really hard to review as it's almost impossible to defend an album with so many emotions involved. People may make perfectly reasonable negative points about it, and yet it's perfect.
It's a thin line.
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:23 |
Oh, and I might as well mention I won't be around much for the next couple of weeks. Two exams coming up, both in the same week, so I need to keep myself on a tight leash. Will try to get a few review submitted though. I need some stimuli after all
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 13:58 |
Review 43, Arena, Asia, 1996, PR (but with some progressive material)
After really enjoying the plain
high-quality rock of Asia's debut and subsequently being extremely
disappointed with the banal Alpha, I decided to take a look at some
of their later and more progressive output. The material and sound
has completely changed from the 80s supergroup, and only Geoff Downes
remains from the original line-up. It is, however, still quite
satisfying, especially on the longer songs, Day Before The War and U
Bring Me Down. The playing is good throughout, even if John Payne's
voice goes very weird during the harmonies, and occasionally the AOR
block-choruses don't really work. Essentially, a good album, and
worth getting for the high points. It's a bit of a shame that we have
to put up with some of the dross among these.
Some wallowing drums from guest open
Into The Arena, which is a soft instrumental with a rather Latin
feel. Geoff Downes gives us some standard background keys while the
two guitarists play around, one providing acoustic edges, the other
electric soloing. After a few minutes, a percussion solo calmly leads
us out.
The following Arena is a very good, in my opinion,
rock song, with a combination of swelling organ (and occasional
keys), a relaxed percussion-bass combination and tolerable vocals and
lyrical material. Short twists on the guitar feature throughout. A
fairly good piano near-solo from Geoff Downes features (separately we
get an equally decent guitar solo), and the song ends on a subdued
and distinctly good note. Good song.
Heaven is a more awkward
song, with the AOR vocals in full position on the chorus. A fairly
dancy combination of the guitars and keyboards open the piece.
Payne's vocals sound entirely right for the verses, but the repeats
of the chorus (complete with jumpy keys) at the end do make it a
little less fun to digest. We get a tolerable, even if it's not Carl
Palmer, drum part from Michael Sturgis, and also another good guitar
solo. A rather weird glockenspiel-like use of the keys features
throughout the song. Not especially good, but not terrible.
Two Sides Of The Moon is a
progressive-leaning track, with the guitars especially seeming quite
odd to me, occasionally appearing quite dissonantly. Geoff Downes
again provides his pretty standard keyboards, and we get another
tolerable drum part. The vocals aren't particularly strong, but
they're fine for the song's purposes, as are the lyrics. A rather
more grainy section (bass-driven) with a guitar solo and weird
percussion choices, features around the three minute mark. After the
vocals are finished, we get another bizarre section with more of the
odd percussion and a weird guitar solo, as well as a sung 'Two sides
of the moon'. A good song, and the first of the album's real art
rock/crossover prog offerings.
Day Before The War (clocking in at
around 9 minutes) begins with a tense combination of instruments,
very atmospheric and quite cautious in its development. After a
minute or so of this, the organ-guitar riff kicks in, along with a
thunderous piece of double-bass drumming. In another minute, the
battle is concluded, and a more relaxed piece of music appears, with
acoustics and keys featuring most prominently. An appropriate vocal
from John Payne continues for a couple of minutes, before another
more rock-based instrumental section kicks off with a bass-throb
behind it, good drumming. A more martial continuation of the song,
following another couple of verses, is very well-handled, with
another set of crashing drums and dissonant guitar-work. A good piece
of art rock, I think.
Never is the first example of
banally-bad material on this album, with a completely uninteresting
upbeat feel, tapping, repeated drumming, boring jumpy keyboards, and
only slightly redeeming guitar-work. The vocal is generally mediocre,
and degenerates into a rather bored chorus with a generic guitar
behind it. Terribly boring, and an abberation, given that we've so
far had a set of good, or at least, not-bad songs.
Falling does again pick up the album a
little, though it's not particularly impressive. A rather awkward
performance on the vocals and a needlessly repeated keyboard part
does limit the piece. There are a couple of better moments when the
song is a bit quieter, and the guitar-work is given the opportunity
to be heard, but I'm no particular fan of this song, either.
Words again features a needlessly
optimistic and jumpy feel. Not particularly interesting, even if it
opens and continues a lot better than the previous two. Repeated
riffs and ideas simply don't do that much for me, and the AOR
vocal-demon again features, which isn't too desirable.
U Bring
Me Down (7 minutes or so in length) is a complete 100% overhaul of
the banality of the previous three pieces, with a
masterfully-developed opening, some 'Pakistani-influenced' parts from
guitarist Aziz Ibrahim, and a superb keyboard-riff from Downes. The
vocals are brilliantly handled, and the counter-rap (it's not as bad
as it looks on paper, believe me) is very intelligently used. The
lyrics are good, the music is superb, with great guitar-parts,
especially, fairly interesting drumming and some keyboards which are
slightly more eclectic and catchy than most Downes choices.
Absolutely great art rock/crossover prog, and the album is worth
getting for this reason alone.
Tell Me Why begins with a
fairly random keyboard effect and continues as a weirder AOR piece,
with a repeated guitar part and some keyboards which feel rather
vestigial. The piece just feels rather unnecessary, with far too many
annoying vocal repeats to be pleasant to listen to. Not as bad as,
say, Never, but not particularly great, either.
Turn It Around
is a slightly more sophisticated vocal-driven piece, with some good
keyboards and a decent rhythm section. The guitar part is quite
enjoyable, and it does provide a good, conclusive feel.
Bella
Nova is an uplifting instrumental conclusion to the album, with an
unfortunate amount of repetition of individual sounds, even if you do
have some more added every now and then. I'm not really the best
person to judge this sort of layering, but I don't think it really
adds anything to the album.
That Season is a tolerable piece,
with a fairly good guitar solo. It's nothing to shout about, but its
inclusion doesn't really hurt the album as a whole. The acoustic
version of Two Sides Of The Moon is a nice inclusion, though, with a
decent feel and a twist on the album version.
So, all-in-all, there is some very good
material on here, as well as a few pathetically bad songs. Not a bad
album, and I think most progressively-minded people here will find
something to like in the three or four more sophisticated pieces.
Rating: Three stars. Favourite Track: U Bring Me Down
--- Another more fringe album. Only 22 ratings for this one, even if 6 are collab. Sorry for appalling detail/reviewing on the worse AOR pieces, but I find it difficult to really explain their substance. We'll miss you, Linus Edit: Finished Drama, which I loved 4/5ish stars. Machine Messiah was the long and obvious track. I've also listened to Benefit, which was really quite odd. Didn't know what to make of it. I did like it, though. No idea about rating.
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:14 |
I love Benefit. .the opening track is my favorite of all Tull songs... the rest of the album isn't far behind..
glad you like Drama as you do..
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:15 |
re: Tony Kaye & The Yes Album
I get the feeling I'm the only one here that really likes...loves that one. I think that if they would have kept going with Kaye they would still have made it "big", perhaps not the way they did with Wakeman, but we'd be talking about them nonetheless. Now, I'm a huge fan of all kinds of vintage keys, so Wakeman is like the king of '70s English prog, but there's something about Kaye's style that I really like (...and I'm usually not into the more "one-dimensional" players, ie. those guys that relied solely on hammond organ in the early 70s). That big blocky sound that you talked about Rob, I love it...maybe my favorite tone of all the hammond players (IMO it trounces all over many of the better musicians). I would probably give The Yes Album 4 stars whereas Fragile would be 4.5 and CttE 5, so in the end I think that Kaye could've stretched out more as the music demanded but it doesn't hut, overall, that much.
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TGM: Orb wrote:
micky wrote:
great review Rob .. I understand your points ... but I'll toss this out for discussions sake... I think that downgrading an album for lack of textural tones...or for lack of flow or change is slippery slope. Does YS deserves 4 stars simply because there is nothing pastoral and 'light' on it. It is in a way the polar opposite.. yet the same in many regards as this album.
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The downgrading isn't because of the lack of change, but more that it doesn't really move me or generally evoke imagery/ideas. If I don't really love (ELP) or find extreme interest (Nursery Cryme) in an album, it won't get the full rating from me, no matter how few holes I can poke in it.
The musical 'flow' of the album is perfect in both Ys and Per Un Amico, in my opinion, but it's solely musical flow without any atmospheric/image flow on most of Per Un Amico (for me). Ys has both. It's really just a subpoint of the 'doesn't move me', in this case. In pretty much any given song from Per Un Amico, I feel like I'm oscillating vaguely within the pastoral feel. In Ys, I feel like the music is developing and bringing me through the journey throughout the album.
Also, Drama has been great so far (partway through Run Through The Light). I did, for some reason, expect disappointment, but it was definitely worth getting. Thanks for worshipping it on the forums
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re: Tony Kaye & The Yes Album
I get the feeling I'm the only one here that really likes...loves that one. I think that if they would have kept going with Kaye they would still have made it "big", perhaps not the way they did with Wakeman, but we'd be talking about them nonetheless. Now, I'm a huge fan of all kinds of vintage keys, so Wakeman is like the king of '70s English prog, but there's something about Kaye's style that I really like (...and I'm usually not into the more "one-dimensional" players, ie. those guys that relied solely on hammond organ in the early 70s). That big blocky sound that you talked about Rob, I love it...maybe my favorite tone of all the hammond players (IMO it trounces all over many of the better musicians). I would probably give The Yes Album 4 stars whereas Fragile would be 4.5 and CttE 5, so in the end I think that Kaye could've stretched out more as the music demanded but it doesn't hut, overall, that much. |
check my review of it You aren't the only one hahha and agree 100% with that
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