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    Posted: May 23 2008 at 07:51
Here's a question I've been meaning to put to the Forum for a while.

Attitudes toward environmental ('Green') issues vary from country to country, culture to culture; what do you do to reduce your (and I hate this phrase) carbon footprint? How much do you recycle? Do you recycle? Does your local council/authority/state make it easy to be green, or do you really have to put in an effort to reduce your impact on the environment?

We're lucky where we live - the local council provide every house with specific bins for recycling glass, paper, metal & garden waste; I believe they're also bringing in a scheme to deliver one to households specifically for plastics too, and for us to be able to use the garden waste one for food scraps. As a result of this, our weekly rubbish (ie that which cannot be recycled) has dropped dramatically from 2/3 bags to one small bag per week.

As well as the above, the local dump has been closed & replaced with a 'recycling centre' which is fully staffed by (surprisingly helpful & friendly) people who make sure nothing goes into the container for landfill if it can possibly be recycled.

Stevenage gets some bad press, but this is something they get right

Personally, apart from the recycling, I don't think I'm too bad at the moment; the house is fairly well insulated and I don't drive a gas guzzler, but against this is the fact I'm fond of foreign holidays, which increases my CF considerably...

So -

HOW GREEN ARE YOU?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 08:04
I support Sporting Lisbon. That's as green as I'm gonna get.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 08:45
OK, where to start?Smile

First of all, I don't drive a car, and I never have -  I don't even have a driving license, nor am I planning to get one soon (even after I move to the US). I use public transport and walk a lot, and I use the train for travelling around Italy. My foreign holidays have dropped rather dramatically in number since I met Micky - unfortunately, it's not easy to travel to the US from Europe without a planeLOL...

As regards recycling, I've been recycling paper for years. I keep a paper bag in my bedroom where I put anything made of paper or cardboard, then put it in one of the bins that can be found in my street. I do the same with glass and plastic containers, as well as clothes. Not having a garden, I can't recycle food scraps - though I did so when I lived in Finland, where it was mandatory. I also try not to waste running water, and my flat is heated centrally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 09:18
To quote the Can song, I'm So Green. :P

I don't have a car or a driver's license, and don't plan on getting one until I actually need it (public transportation isn't very good in the US).  I go out of the way to recycle things, and instead of being capitalist and spending $1 on a water bottle every day and throwing it out, I spend $1 on a water bottle all year and just refill it at water fountains and save money, as well as the planet.  I try to conserve energy by turning things off when I'm not using them.  For the last few months, I haven't eaten any red meat and seldom white meat, but I could never cut out fish/sushi (it's better for the environment to eat lower on the food chain).  I tend to buy used CDs, vinyls, and books instead of new.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 09:33
Not very.

To be fair, I don't drive yet, generally eat typically British food, tend to turn things off when I'm not using them, etc.. I'm also not too keen on holidays, and I'll happily walk rather than be driven somewhere. To be honest, I don't try to reduce my 'carbon footprint', it's just not very large anyway, comparatively, at the moment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 10:17
 
Not much. I don't have a car but do have a European bus driving licence. Doin' my bit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 10:30
We recycle paper and tins and plastics here, turn off electrical items at the mains when not being used (though this is mainly to reduce the bill) and we recycle fruit and vegetable scraps on the compost heap in the garden. I also dont have a drivers licence/car (cost far too much to obtain and run) so I use public transport (which is unfortunate, because public transport is rubbish here).

I'm still highly sceptical towards global warming and whether its got much to do with mankind or not, especially with the preaching of Carbon = bad, which I think might be a load of rubish but there's no such thing as an unbiased study these days. However, thats not an excuse to not recycle or waste energy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 10:34
Mm. I tend to buy as much ecological food (most stores have a surprisingly big selection here)  as I can afford, and not just the basics like pasta, milk, butter and so on, but everything. Being a student is tough on your economy as it is, so I can only do my best with my current situation. Recycling is mandatory in all of Sweden (except the most remote places) so I do my part there as well. Driving a car is out of question, since I could never afford paying for gas in the first place, and it's so easy to use the bike or walk.

Turning things off just feels natural and I'm gradually exchanging all my standard light bulbs to low-energy ones as they break.

It hasn't always been like this, but since I got very interested in biology a couple of years ago, and now study it, I guess it opened up my eyes and put some pressure on me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 11:45
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I'm still highly sceptical towards global warming and whether its got much to do with mankind or not


Have to say I'm with you on that one - I seem to remember reading the eruption of Mt St Helens in the 1980s did more damage to the atmosphere in 5 days than mankind has done since the beginning of the industrial revolution...

Still - if we do our best to be as 'green' as possible, at least we're not making things worse

Good responses all, many thanks - keep 'em coming!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 12:03
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I'm still highly sceptical towards global warming and whether its got much to do with mankind or not


Have to say I'm with you on that one - I seem to remember reading the eruption of Mt St Helens in the 1980s did more damage to the atmosphere in 5 days than mankind has done since the beginning of the industrial revolution...

Still - if we do our best to be as 'green' as possible, at least we're not making things worse

Good responses all, many thanks - keep 'em coming!

I may be very sceptical about man made global warming (personally I think its far more likely to be driven by the sun, that giant flaming ball of nucelar fusion that determines whether life is possible or not in the first place), but as I said, that is absoulutely no excuse to push our luck.

ANyway, I think its been acknowledged that water vaper is a far more dangerous green house gas.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 18:20
Would you believe we have to pay extra to participate in the county recycling program?  Screw that!  There's stuff that our local farmer's market takes ("Your Dekalb Farmers Market" hey if it's mine, why do I have to pay for the dang food?!?) and the Publix grocery chain takes stuff they don't take, so we go that route. 

Public transportation in Atlanta is fairly sucky.  If I used it, it would quadruple my time in transit to work each way.  Fortunately I have I a reasonably short commute, but biking would also quadruple my time in transit.  I don't drive a guzzler, though I still feel the pain at the pump.  Really tempted to hold my hands up the next time I fill up. Tongue

We live on a nice green lot between two creeks, love to grow our own vegetables.  Lots of trees, keeps the cooling cost down nicely during the hot season.  I don't mow the lawn excessively.  Use reusable shopping bags rather than paper or plastic.  Yellow/mellow brown/down.  Compost...

Had a small carbon footprint before the term was coined.

Did I mention green was my favorite color as a kid? Big%20smile


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 23 2008 at 18:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 18:33
'green' at heart... but  American by nature...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 18:38
By the way if you don't think we're causing global warming, there is no doubt we're causing this

Great Pacific Garbage Patch

Plastic Turning Vast Area of Ocean into Ecological Nightmare

http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocean/Pacific-Garbage-Patch27oct02.htm

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-worlds-rubbish-dump-a-garbage-tip-that-stretches-from-hawaii-to-japan-778016.html



"The second angel poured his bowl into the sea. It became like the blood of a dead body, and every living thing in the sea died."

Edited by Slartibartfast - May 23 2008 at 18:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 18:43
On second thought, maybe it's all Japan and California's fault. Tongue

I can't blame Hawaii, my wife and I honeymooned there and We love the place.  Can't be Hawaii anyway, if it was them, it might be poi instead of plastic.

Seriously though, I love seafood and this scares the crap out of me.  Just because other natural causes can cause global changes more drastically doesn't mean that we haven't risen to the level of being able to have that impact ourselves.


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2008 at 08:35
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2008 at 19:55
I recycle, never litter, try not to make a lot of garbage.
I drive, I rode public transport all during high school and it SUCKED!!
Dirty, smelly buses, never on time, rude bus drivers.
It's way better having a car, but again I live in Los Angeles.Tongue

By the way, I hate the marketing term "going green".
Even Fox is going green.
Although I do like green as in Kawasaki green.Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 00:24
If being green in the US meant anything more than something for people with their heads up their asses to boast about, then I'd be green all the way. But honestly, America has a sh*tty public transportation system at best, and only in major cities can you really get by without a car. And our options for cars suck. Sure, more hybrids are out, but the backlog of people waiting to get their hands on one has gotta be huge. 25 mpg doesn't mean that much anymore because gas is $4.00. Most hybrids realistically get about 30-35 mpg, which is a lot better than 25, but still it's a f**king sham. For everything that citizens in homes could do to help the environment, our government will undo twofold at least. So what's the f**king point? I recycle (I wonder if the people I give my cans and glass to don't just throw it in a landfill, though), but really, it's futile. This country has the most half-hearted attitude toward recycling. Even if I did my share 100%, the likes of the wastes of human lives in West Virginia who were interviewed after the primary as voting against Obama becuase "He's a Muslim," "He's of a different race," and "I don't like the 'Hussein' thing. I've had enough of Hussein" will surely not be able to see the benefit of recycling and must expect God to magically fix all the problems they hoist upon this Earth. Sons-a-bitch.

Really, f**k bombing Iran, let's bomb West Virginia. If anyone on here is from WV, get out right now.

When we have green standards for industry, then I'll start really giving a sh*t.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 01:46
I am a bit skeptical of the global warming causes too, but I do believe in making this a great place to live so I do my best to lower my impact on the Earth.  Turn off stuff I don't use (lights, water, computer, TV, etc).  I do drive a car, but it gets a decent amount of gas use (Mazda 3).  I love riding my bike, so I take that out quite a bit to run errands and stuff.  RECYcle always, and reuse paper that isn't filled up for whatever I could possibly use it for, before (or if) it gets ditched. 

I don't buy meat anymore.  Well I do, but only at restaurants for a meal.  I haven't been getting it for home cooking use.  Which I guess doesn't do much, but whatever.

I don't turn on my heat or a/c.  I have sweaters and shorts.

Apparently, there was some study done on the Prius and Hummer which showed that the Hummer was actually better on the environment because it lasts longer, and doesn't need go to the shop as much. While the Prius tends to go into the shop more, and also the lithium battery inside it is pretty bad for whatever reason.  Although, the Hummer is certainly big, useless and unnecessary, and guzzles gas.  I'll have to check what group conducted the research and the results to be more clear. 

Also I've been quite opposed to the whole Ethanol craze which is now being opposed in as quick a time as the same people were praising for its use.  There were studies well before people started going all out for ethanol that said it was not good on the environment which is why its use was banned in some states. Not to mention the food cost hikes which are becoming apparent.  Of course, all the who's who's of whateverland had to make Ethanol the "it" fuel to cut down on gas usage without think or I guess bothering to look at the available information out there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 06:17
Probably not as green as I'd like to think I am.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2008 at 06:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Seriously though, I love seafood and this scares the crap out of me.  Just because other natural causes can cause global changes more drastically doesn't mean that we haven't risen to the level of being able to have that impact ourselves.


My thoughts exactlyClap. I can't believe that over 6 billion people and the volume of pollution they produce have no impact whatsoever on climate changes. Those who doubt the reality of global warming seem to forget one very simple fact, which many of us have witnessed firsthand: mountain glaciers everywhere are shrinking (not to mention polar icecaps, which are considerably bigger), and in some cases disappearing altogether. It's been happening here in the Alps, and I suppose in other mountain areas as well.
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