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    Posted: May 16 2008 at 04:34
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Against the advice of the other three Wishbone Ash original members, bassist Martin Turner plans to revisit Argus, WA's holy grail.
 
Apparently former WA member John Wetton (currently Asia) is to help out and Geoff Downes (also Asia) is to play KBs in Blowing Free (the KBs had been played on the original album by Renaissace John Tout)
 
 
I'm not expecting much out of thios except maybe the original album legendary status being brought down.Angry
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Points: 809 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 05:10
This is not wise. They should make a new CD with new music as good as Argus!!!
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Points: 7456 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 05:24
As the old addage suggests, 'If it ain't broke...'

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 07:29
So the bass player from a group known best for its' twin guitars is remaking the group's signature LP ? Oh well, I've no time to think about it right now. Gotta go see Foghat.
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Points: 20032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 08:27
I can't help thinking that this is not a good idea.
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Argh! A*se!

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Points: 20032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 09:31
Nicely put Lee.
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Points: 1317 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 09:41
Really stupid!Argus is surely Wishbone Ash's masterpiece:why losing time reworking it?
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I'm planning to re-record "Close To The Edge" on a kazoo and Stylophone.
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Points: 3928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 11:39
I heard about this some time ago.
 

I heard about a three-pronged tour with Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, The Groundhogs and Focus which I'll still go and see though as it's playing in a nearby venue.


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You cannot improve on perfection. Argus is perfect, therefore this idea is doomed to fail since it won't improve on the original.

Would Doug Ferguson ever rerecord The Snow Goose? No - it would be heresy.  So Martin should go and record some new material of the same standard as Argus.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

YupCry
 
 
Apparently former WA member John Wetton (currently Asia) is to help out and Geoff Downes (also Asia) is to play KBs in Blowing Free (the KBs had been played on the original album by Renaissace John Tout)
 
 
 
I must have blinked, Wetton wasn't in WA in their heyday, was he?
 
Daft idea - WA were the epitome of the rock band that sounded prog, causing us long debate as to whether a real prog band had to have keyboards. With Argus and Pilgrimage the concensus was that  keyboard weren't essential. Can't see what will be improved - and further can the enthusiasm that would have been there for the original recordings, still be there having done those number 100's if not 1000's of times live?
 
Smacks of trying to fix something that ain't broken.
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Wetton was there for at least one album, 'Number The Brave'; that was around the same time that Claire Hamill was in the band!

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But I do remember WA signed to Miles Copeland's IRS label in the 80's , doing instrumentals aimed at the new age market..... I admit I may even have a copy securely hidden in my loft....
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I'm planning to re-record "Close To The Edge" on a kazoo and Stylophone.


LOL  I do want you to know.. you'd sell at least ONE copy hahhahahha.
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As a caveat, I just remembered Eddie Rayner remake of some Split Enz' classics on Enz So. While I didn't agree with his assessment that in most cases the songs came out better than the originals, it was a work worthy of the Finn Bros fan's attention.
Who knows, maybe the project comes together and renews interest in Argus. Of course, if it just becomes a note for note, same arrangements and all job, then why bother.
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Just thought I re-specify that Downes will not add more KBs than there was on the original album. He'll only the Tout interventions on the one track.
 
 
BTW, I read this on the latest Classy Crock (the first issue I bought since fall last year.


Edited by Sean Trane - May 20 2008 at 04:48
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

But I do remember WA signed to Miles Copeland's IRS label in the 80's , doing instrumentals aimed at the new age market..... I admit I may even have a copy securely hidden in my loft....


Get them down and play them! Nouveau Calls and Here to Hear are actually excellent!
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Just thought I re-specify that Downes will not add more KBs than there was on the original album. He'll only the Tout interventions on the one track.
  BTW, Irad this on the latest Classy Crock (the first issue I bought since fall last year.
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I don't see this as a very good idea either. The album "Argus" was prefect as it was.
Martin Turner had done a good job remastering it (although the intro to "Time was" was maybe really too loud compared to the rest, he missed the contrast there).
 
I wonder what John Wetton will do ? He replaced Turner as bassit and jnot even singer. Maybe now he'll help him sing some parts.. I think it's needed, without Ted Turner and Andy Powell to sing the harmonies
 
John Tout played organ on Throw Down The Sword, not Blowin' Free.
I remember that Andy played a very nice guitar solo at the end of "Ashes Are Burning" from Renaissance, in 73, to thank them.
 
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

But I do remember WA signed to Miles Copeland's IRS label in the 80's , doing instrumentals aimed at the new age market..... I admit I may even have a copy securely hidden in my loft....
Get them down and play them! Nouveau Calls and Here to Hear are actually excellent!

 

I say leave them up there!LOL 'Nouveau Calls' (as in No Vocals...Sleepy) and 'Here To Hear' are marred by the high-gloss, style-over-substance production jobs that were typical of the 80s, IMHO- speaking for myself, I feel the analogue feel of the early 70s albums have worn far better. Do the band ever play anything from these anymore? I think they may have done stuff from 'Nouveau Calls' in the past but rarely seem to bother with 'Here To Hear'. Mind you, I'd brush stuff like 'Cosmic Jazz' under the carpet as well if I'd done it...



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