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avestin 
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 Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:05 |
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Purgatories shows 5UUs realising their massive potential, and a blindingly good album it is too. Perhaps it's because Bob Drake wasn't involved and Dave Kermann was pretty much in control of the whole project. |
BLASPHEMY!!!!
Just kidding, may very well be.
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Syzygy
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:06 |
James wrote:
I have Crisis in Clay CD and must give it a spin.
For me, NeBeLNeST's first two lack that something too but ZePTo is much better. As for Far Corner, well to my ears, they also lack that something and I find them rather boring.
Are Crisis in Clay and Hunger's Teeth as uninteresting as both Far Corner and the first two by NeBeLNeST?
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Not so much boring as rather uneven; lots of good ideas, but not always properly focused or fully realised.
Having said that, some people love those two albums, so listen with an open mind. Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old sod about them  .
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avestin
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:14 |
James wrote:
I have Crisis in Clay CD and must give it a spin.
For me, NeBeLNeST's first two lack that something too but ZePTo is much better. As for Far Corner, well to my ears, they also lack that something and I find them rather boring.
Are Crisis in Clay and Hunger's Teeth as uninteresting as both Far Corner and the first two by NeBeLNeST?
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I'm not a big fan of these two 5UU's albums as well, and while I understand very well why you have this criticism of Far Corner and Nebelnest (I had similar feelings at some point), I've loved Far Corner's s/t from the start but the second one is to me not that interesting (though I do appreciate the work gone into it). As for Nebelnest, I'm in a pickle since I came to like Nova Express after relatively many listens (was a matter of getting their style) but Zepto just doesn't click... I need to relisten to their first to make proper comments.
I also need to get that Purgatories album of 5UU's.
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avestin
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:16 |
I've now collected most of Tim Hodgkinson's solo albums (and his collaborations as well, like HET, Fluvial etc). Now slowly starting to digest all; it's pretty impressive what he comes up with, given he's an anthropologist and an autoautodidact musician/composer.
EDIT - I will add him to PA, hopefully sooner than later.
Edited by avestin - May 13 2008 at 19:17
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Syzygy
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:20 |
avestin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
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Purgatories shows 5UUs realising their massive potential, and a blindingly good album it is too. Perhaps it's because Bob Drake wasn't involved and Dave Kermann was pretty much in control of the whole project. |
BLASPHEMY!!!!
Just kidding, may very well be.
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It does seem to me that they have achieved far greater things seperately than they ever did together. They both played at last year's RIO festival (Kermann with Present and Drake with Peter Blegvad) and they're both superb musicians. Bob Drake is also a total studio wizard, as his work on (among many others) the Henry Cow remasters shows.
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avestin
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Posted: May 13 2008 at 19:24 |
Syzygy wrote:
avestin wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
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Purgatories shows 5UUs realising their massive potential, and a blindingly good album it is too. Perhaps it's because Bob Drake wasn't involved and Dave Kermann was pretty much in control of the whole project. |
BLASPHEMY!!!!
Just kidding, may very well be.
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It does seem to me that they have achieved far greater things seperately than they ever did together. They both played at last year's RIO festival (Kermann with Present and Drake with Peter Blegvad) and they're both superb musicians. Bob Drake is also a total studio wizard, as his work on (among many others) the Henry Cow remasters shows. |
I agree with that.
Incidentally, what do you make of his solo albums (Drake)?
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avestin
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 13:30 |
An interview with Hugh Hopper in All About Jazz:
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 13:54 |
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As a new Henry Cow fan, would it be safe to say that U Totem would appeal to me?
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:03 |
^^^^
I love Henry Cow and I'm not big on U Totem.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:06 |
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I'm trying to figure out which RIO/avant avenues to explore...maybe Univers Zero, Present, Aksak Maboul, although reading some reviews of Univers Zero Heresie, I'm not sure that I would be into it.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:13 |
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It's very difficult to find but try NEO Museum.
I don't think you'll be able to find it legally though. It's excellent though and very Cowish.
Stormy Six you'll find the easiest to enjoy and maybe even some Samla Mammas Manna.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:17 |
James wrote:
It's very difficult to find but try NEO Museum.
I don't think you'll be able to find it legally though. It's excellent though and very Cowish.
Stormy Six you'll find the easiest to enjoy and maybe even some Samla Mammas Manna.
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I heard their sample here (something off of Maltid, perhaps) and wasn't sure about them, but that was a long time ago. I'm still working on Art Bears, they're proving sort of a tough nut to crack for me, particularly Winter Songs. Found The World As It Is Today to be a bit easier to digest. Mind, this is on two initial listens this morning.
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:18 |
NaturalScience wrote:
I'm trying to figure out which RIO/avant avenues to explore...maybe Univers Zero, Present, Aksak Maboul, although reading some reviews of Univers Zero Heresie, I'm not sure that I would be into it. |
This weekend I'll send you a PM with some essentials. And go for Heresie, it rivals Western Culture as the best album to come out of the RIO bands.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:21 |
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I appreciate the help - what the heck, I'll try to grab Heresie and see what happens.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:22 |
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Some say Ceux du Dehors is better but I've yet to hear it.
I definitely say try some Stormy Six. They're what I call light-RIO. They're barely avant-prog at times either. I think you'll enjoy them.
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:23 |
* adds Stormy Six to gigantic wish list * 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:25 |
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^ Try L'Apprendista first. It's actually the only SS album I've heard so far but apparently it's their best.
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:29 |
NaturalScience wrote:
As a new Henry Cow fan, would it be safe to say that U Totem would appeal to me?
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I don't know, but I adore U Totem's debut. There are some Cow similarities. I suspect that you'd like it. It was a revelatory album for me -- one of the albums that has most consumed me. And after that, maybe get Volapuk. I'm not as big on Motor Totemist Guild or 5UU's as U Totem.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:35 |
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Oh yes, Volapuk. I think I've suggested them before to you.
That list of yours, Patrick, would you mind giving it to us, so we don't cover ground already trodden?
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Padraic
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Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:37 |
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The list is mostly in my head...if I have time later I'll post what I can remember, in this thread.
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