Developments which changed course of prog history

Here's and interesting question:
What does it really matter which of these developments most affected the course of prog history?

Interesting selection of options though.  A few more slots that could have been filled in the poll as others have pointed out.  I'm not surprised that the number one option is the most picked.  Early events often tend to have effects on the course of things that tend to spread out farther although they can be diluted in the spreading out.

I'm going to have to abstain.


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 06 2008 at 20:42

Surely Greg's..
How about Hackett's arrival to Genesis?
Wakeman's arrival to Yes? Or Howe's?
Maybe Gilmour is another good chance, but adding Syd on the note, really don't think that'll work.
Rabin joining Yes?
..

Dr. Prog wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Here's and interesting question: What does it really matter which of these developments most affected the course of prog history?     it matters because I am interested in hearing people's views on the matter. Is that good enough? Why does anyone put any poll up?   For instance, I am surprised that people right now are picking Lake joining ELP, and not more people picking Gilmour joining Floyd.   So I guess chalk it up to curiousity. Its part of my human nature.

Well, of course, curiosity isn't allowed.  To be technically correct Lake didn't join ELP, the three coagulated together.  And of course we all know, Gilmore rose through the ranks by assassination.  Oh, wait, he didn't kill Syd?  Nevermind.  Back to the original question, it just really doesn't seem to be something quantifiable.  Always fun to try though, eh?

Perhaps a better question for you, is there a common thread to all these events?


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 06 2008 at 22:07

The BBC's insistence on not playing american rock n roll, and instead relying on classical music, english music hall, and trad jazz.

I'd go with different options, includimng one by Cacho:

1. Hackett joining Genesis: The IMO best keyboard - guitar ensemble was born
2. Mike Oldfield releasing Tubular Bells: A 19 years old kid taking that risk is amazing.
3. Jethro Tull switching from Blues to some sort opf Folk/Symphonic Prog
4. Moraz replacing Wakeman for Relayer: A one in a kind album was released and proved a band can change, still I like CTTE more, but Relayer is outstandibng
5. Wetton replacing Lake: Proved that anybody can be replaced.

Iván 

I think you mean 2 albums, Iván.

Lizard with Gordon Haskell
Islands with Boz Burrell

After that came Larks' Tongues in Aspic with John Wetton.

Unless you're including the live album Earthbound, which in this situation, I presume you are.

Edit: I didn't see your edit.


Edited by James - May 06 2008 at 23:48

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Edited by James - May 07 2008 at 09:39

Dr. Prog wrote:   (by the way, how did the Fripp disbanding KC go from 9 votes to 37 so quickly? Is someone monkeying with the vote totals here?)

Because you allow multiple votes, and by that making the poll results pretty useless. The suggestion with the biggest nerdclick fanbase (who'll bother to vote again and again to see their heroes take the lead) always wins.

I usually disagree with whatever Ivan writes, but suggesting relevant stuff not included in a poll is half the fun and not irrelevant. It starts discussions and keeps threads alive for a couple of pages more. Sometimes its even a slightly interesting read.


Edited by Rocktopus - May 07 2008 at 06:26

I dont think any of these developments had much affect on the development of prog as awhole. I went with the folding of KC in '74 because it was more of a portent of things to come, Fripp trying to prevent KC becoming an ineffectual dinosaure which to greater and lesser degrees started to happen to all the other major prog bands shortly afterwards (some notables held off for a few years though). The only real effect that I can see that the chopping and changing of band members had on the prog scene was the small changes made to the indavidual bands, because normally it wasnt the creative leader of the band that was moving on.   

Its been mentioned in here already but the forming of certain bands and the release of certain albums and the change in some peoples attitudes were infinitely bigger effects on the course of prog.  

iguana wrote: if the latter is applicable, i'd also go for the release of TFTO by YES, which proved to be the joint nexus, peak, turning point and fateful seal for progressive rock. plus the birth of the scapegoat and the laughing stock.