lack of metal knowledge in some reviews

CCVP wrote: ClassicRocker wrote: Well, let's expand upon that. Maybe an "improvement to the site" topic should be started regarding an "essentials to the genre" label for different albums? It could easily be done for more than just metal - all genres. But then again, that might get shot down by arguments saying that's what ratings are for... Whatchoo think CCVP? well, i still think ratings are essential. Essential albuns will ever exist for every genre, but the ratings would be for top rating (top 50 / 100 / 200 / etc) and different rating between the essentials. For example: Operation: Mindcrime is (for me) a better album than Awaken the Guardian, but Awaken the Guardian have a better grade. That is because Mindcrime is better known that Awaken so Operation have more reactionary reviews that Awaken.

I think I see what you are getting at. Well, I wasn't really thinking another set of ratings (for essentials). I was thinking more of a tag at the top of the album page for the important/most influential albums. Something that looks like the tag/big label at the top of PT's Fear Of A Blank Planet page
(...and disregard the fact that Phideaux's album is placed above it in the 2007 chart )

I think it would be awesome to give some sort of recognition to the pioneers of prog-metal.Fates Warning especially,but Psychotic Waltz,Watchtower and other that are perhaps even more obscure than Fates.

sinkadotentree wrote: I think it would be awesome to give some sort of recognition to the pioneers of prog-metal.Fates Warning especially,but Psychotic Waltz,Watchtower and other that are perhaps even more obscure than Fates.

OMG, can't believe i forgot Waltz and Watchtower!!! I love them, but forgot them

CCVP wrote: What you mean by small? its the fastest growing genre of prog rock and to ignore the importance of prog metal to the keeping of prog rock on the scene is the same as to close your eyes to the mid day sun on the middle of Sahara. Besides its the only sub-genre to attract attention to prog since neo prog on the 80's. In fact, i was drawn back to prog because of prog metal. Since my father thinks that prog REALLY died on the 80's (he don't like Marilion, etc) i also thought that for some time, until i discovered it was not dead by prog metal.

Prog in the classic sense never died, but it's been on life support ever since that stinker known as Tales from Topographic Oceans

It's children, neo and metal, are doing all they can to resurrect the failures of Tales (a.k.a. the cheesy overindulgence that gave prog a bad name in the first place).

Pnoom! wrote: CCVP wrote: What you mean by small? its the fastest growing genre of prog rock and to ignore the importance of prog metal to the keeping of prog rock on the scene is the same as to close your eyes to the mid day sun on the middle of Sahara. Besides its the only sub-genre to attract attention to prog since neo prog on the 80's. In fact, i was drawn back to prog because of prog metal. Since my father thinks that prog REALLY died on the 80's (he don't like Marilion, etc) i also thought that for some time, until i discovered it was not dead by prog metal. Prog in the classic sense never died, but it's been on life support ever since that stinker known as Tales from Topographic Oceans It's children, neo and metal, are doing all they can to resurrect the failures of Tales (a.k.a. the cheesy overindulgence that gave prog a bad name in the first place).

I disagree.

Its probably my favorite Yes album.

Edited by DJPuffyLemon - May 04 2008 at 00:11

Shakespeare wrote: CCVP wrote: King of Loss wrote: Its Progarchives, not Metal-archives. Try reading some Prog reviews on there but is it too much to ask fair prog metal reviews? after all, PROGRESSIVE metal is progressive after all. Your Ultimate Prog Rock Resource Metal is but one small subgenre of this whole thing. Well, Shakes, actually it's three!!! Lame-o, I say.

crimson87 wrote: Man , you should all realize that Prog archives was meant to be a prog rock site.Now if for unknown reasons bands like Kreator(as an example) end up in the "tech-extreme-crap-metal" category.Thats another issue. Growling vocals cant be compared to angelical- Jon Andersonish-singing.   If you want metal go to a metal site , you ll never get ...And Justice for all in prog archives , as an example.But it can be one of the most reviewed records on a true metal page   You gotta realize it when you see the name of the pageIT`S PROG ARCHIVES , NOT PUNK ARCHIVES OR DEATH ARCHIVES.By the way I like that advise "progressive metal with a soul" its like they are taking all the blame.

yeah, but some would say the definition of "prog" is music that progresses.  some metal has progressed, hence it should be included if only by definition.  And why be so exclusive?  .....was prog meant to be narrow-minded?  hardly.

Pnoom! wrote: avalanchemaster wrote: yeah, but some would say the definition of "prog" is music that progresses.  some metal has progressed, hence it should be included if only by definition.  And why be so exclusive?  .....was prog meant to be narrow-minded?  hardly. Are you seriously accusing this site of being close-minded in its acceptance process?  If so, , you have much to learn.

NO.  do not put words in my mouth. (or my post- quit projecting onto my posts).  LOL at your prog king attitude.
anyway, re-read the post, will ya.  the answer is right there.  imagine how those old school prog bands felt when they were getting swept under the rug of being taken seriously because music at large was not ready for them, (and was being exclusive and "narrow-minded".....maybe that is something that happens when you turn into an old proghead, you refuse to see "new" music as progressive.  Is that your problem?)  The Residents had to buy commercial air time to get their music out to the world..........for instance.  who was ready for them?  

I think it is downright hilarious when a noob posts somewhere and the "old guard" (as it were) gets their panties in a bunch and jumps to logically erroneous conclusions, fumbling over themselves to PROOVE something to the noob......

the main problem I have with boards like this is that they are full of nerds who argue for the sake of argument, you need to get out of that mindset of needing to be "right" all the time......I have no beef with you.  You are just some online self-appointed referee, but everyone is tough online, I wonder what you are really like? 


Edited by avalanchemaster - May 04 2008 at 01:28

crimson87 wrote: Man , you should all realize that Prog archives was meant to be a prog rock site.Now if for unknown reasons bands like Kreator(as an example) end up in the "tech-extreme-crap-metal" category.Thats another issue. Growling vocals cant be compared to angelical- Jon Andersonish-singing.