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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 00:07
I'd say get Unrest next. The good thing about Cow is that their albums transfer quite smoothly from most to least accessible.
 
You could always try their offshoot with Slapp Happy, Desperate Straights. I wouldn't call it Canterbury, no, but it's definitely in their most accessible (though some credit it more as a Slapp Happy record than a Cow one).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 05:15
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Speaking of early Soft Machine, what is the quality like in regards to the two remasters of Volume 1 and Volume 2, respectively?  I am very tempted in getting them to replace my 2-in-1 version of those two wonderful debut albums.
 
Checking round the web:
a) can't confirm these are remasters
b) if they are remasters, no review states so, let alone mentions audio quality
c) the release date seems up to 2 months away?
d) Amazon.UK lists price seems to be the same number in sterling as CD Universe lists in US Dollars.
e) hey, yet somebody else providing the liner notes - who he???
Personally I found the (assumed) remastering of Soft Machine and Volume 2 tracks featured on the Out-Bloody-Rageous compilation much superior to that audio quality heard on the twoforone CD - but Soft Machine was literally recorded overnight during one of the Hendrix package tours of the USA and you can almost bet as cheaply as possible. I'll contact the Hopper brothers for more detail.


They were released in 2007, Dick and I did read that they are remastered with new liner notes.  Let me check my sources.
 
Amazon says they were released on 17 April 2007.  According to the RateYourMusic entries, Volume Two on the American Water label is a  remaster, but this doesn't necessarily mean it is.

I really need to know the state of these two albums, before I decide whether to purchase them.  I'd love to hear Brian Hopper's comment, Dick.
 
A reply from Brian Hopper on the subject - not so good news friends of the machine:
The re-releases of SM Vol 1 & 2 are almost certainly not remastered but merely copies from the vinyl or even previous CD release.  I’ve often said to Hugh that it would be great to have a proper digital remastered version (especially of Vol 2) with which he agrees although it’s not likely to happen as no-one seems to have the original master tapes which is what would be required for a fundamental remastering.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 05:24
Who has the master tapes for Machine's Soft Machine and Volume 2 albums?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 09:51
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Who has the master tapes for Machine's Soft Machine and Volume 2 albums?


I think the exact same problem exists for The Flying Teapot by Gong - the CD I have is an absolute sonic abomination, but the master tapes cannot be located to do a proper remastering - either there are rights squabbles, or simply no one knows exactly where they are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 09:55
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I'd say get Unrest next. The good thing about Cow is that their albums transfer quite smoothly from most to least accessible.
 


Sounds good - it's on the list.

I'm going to bring this up again - Amanda Parsons is so brilliant - she delivers such gorgeous vocals on the National Health debut - however, apparently she just wholesale quit the music business after her time with the band.  You can't find a Wikipedia entry or really any sort of information about her from Google.  The fact that a talent like that couldn't achieve success is nothing short of a tragedy.  She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, perhaps - I don't know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 10:12
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

I'm going to bring this up again - Amanda Parsons is so brilliant - she delivers such gorgeous vocals on the National Health debut - however, apparently she just wholesale quit the music business after her time with the band. 


Hmm... are you sure about that? National Health's debut was released in 1977, and I know that she was a guest on Laurent Thibault's 1979 solo album Mais On Ne Peut Pas Rever Tout Le Temps.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2008 at 10:51
Perhaps I was too strong but there's a lack of information.  In the NH "Complete" liner notes, Dave Stewart did note that as of 1990 she was working for a television company - doesn't sound like someone too active in the business, save for perhaps the odd guesting of the type you mentioned.  The point is someone like her should have been able to make a living out of singing - but instead we give record deals to Paris Hilton.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2008 at 00:13
Excellent choice with Bells Boots & Shambles, Pat. Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic album, I can't recommend it highly enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2008 at 00:23
Cool...I remembered you had spoke highly of it.

Let us know what you think of Kew Rhone when you get it - I've been playing it twice a day since I downloaded it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2008 at 00:35
I'll order that one momentarily.

I've only just realized that the spoken word part of National Health's 'Squarer For Maude' is done by Peter Blegvad, despite the glaringly obvious fact that he doesn't have an English accent like Greaves does. The two worked together quite a bit; I'm positive Blegvad played on Kew Rhône as well. One more reason to get it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2008 at 22:02
Just listened to that brilliant track today.  "Do you say numinescence?  I do."
 
No point to this post really except to keep our little thread from falling off the map.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 19:16
I remember laughing out loud listening to that the first time.
 
We can't let this thread die, even though it's basically just me and you. Did you ever pick up any solo Wyatt or Matching Mole, by any chance? I can't recall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 22:28
Heart Canterbury, so I really should pop in here more.

I just put on Zyma (from Germany) after not listening to it for ages, pretty good album.  I'd be interested to hear Tortilla Flat (another Canterbury Scene album from Genrmany)


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I do like the opener considerably.

And every Robert Wyatt solo and Matching Mole album is essential, in my opinion (but, to be honest, I am a Wyatt fanboy).

Love Wyatt's contribution to News From Babel and with Michael Mantler too.  And his work with Henry Cow and Hatfield and the North.

I already liked Canterbury Scene very much, but Rock Bottom took it to a new level.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 22:48
I haven't listened to Rock Bottom in ages, actually. I think I'll throw that one on right now. Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 23:22
I did pick up Rock Bottom and I enjoyed it, though I do need to play it more.  I'll try giving it some plays at work tomorrow.  Don't have any Matching Mole yet, but I'll try and put that on the list - still need to grab some Picchio dal Pozzo and The Muffins, among other things.
 
Logan - do keep posting here!  James, if you're reading this, we'd like to hear from you as well as you are a big fan of Canterbury and Robert Wyatt in particular.  Otherwise I guess it's Dylan and I carrying the torch LOL  but I'd like this thread to be more than a dialogue between the two of us!  There are certainly several people here much more knowledgeable about this scene than I am.
 
Although right now I am currently celebrating my success about beating Guitar Hero III on easy level.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 23:28
I've been too harsh on that Zyma album. I think it's part of only having things in mp3 - easy to delete! =P

I also love Canterbury but, alas, it's such a micro-genre that you run out of albums you can name fairly quickly...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2008 at 23:42
I'm here, Pat.

Now, what is your favourite Canterbury style?  Are you into the jazz era of the Softs?  Because if you are, I thoroughly recomment The Wrong Object, Phil Miller's In Cahoots, Hugh Hopper (although his stuff is more avant-prog), Hopper/Dean/Tippet/Gallivan plus Elton Dean solo.  Of course, one must not forget Soft Machine Legacy either.

In Cahoots will appeal to you from a Hatfield stance too.  Oh and also get some Gilgamesh.

As for Wyatt, I'd jump on him naked if I could, he's a genius.  Rock Bottom is the best album ever made by any band or artist, period.

He's brilliant on News from Babel's Letters Home (their second album) too, I think you may like that, it features Lindsay Cooper on keyboards and one track, Dagmar Krause, of Henry Cow.  It's a fairly easy album to get into also.

Get the 3 CD boxset with all of their albums on.  It's worth the money.

I'm not sure what else I can offer you for the moment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 00:02
You know, James, I have SM "Fourth" and I don't know that I'm that thrilled with it - it's certainly quite good, but I feel "Third" was special for the perfect blend it was of the jazz and psychedelia - "Fourth" seems almost too much like I'm listening to a straight jazz album (which again, isn't necessarily a bad thing).  I would like advice on which SM to get besides the first four - I was thinking about jumping over to "Bundles" or "Softs".  Definitely want to get "In Cahoots".  My favorite style?  Don't really know, at this point I'd say that National Health is my favorite of the bands I've encountered to date.  I continue to be addicted to them.
 
Also currently going down the path of Henry Cow and possibly later some Art Bears - I did download some News from Babel, might have been their first one...I'll have to track down that boxset.
 
Cheers, James, that's the sort of post we need around here! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 00:10
If you want a Soft Machine/National Health mix, you NEED Soft Heap.

Why?

Because not only is it brilliant, but you need to see the lineup:

Hugh Hopper - the bassists bassist
Elton Dean - the saxophonists saxophonist
Alan Gowen - the man behind the sound of Gilgamesh and National Health's first two albums
Pip Pyle - the drummers drummer

It's a must have!

Get Bundles and Softs.

Bundles has the brilliant Allan Holdsworth on it.
Softs has the brilliant John Etheridge on it.

Both are fantastic, it's a shame Karl Jenkins decided to go into classical music though, he had a good jazz brain on him.

If you want more exciting jazz, definitely get some The Wrong Object.  The Unbelievable Truth features the late and great Elton Dean on it.  It also features brilliant guitar playing that reminds me of Phil Miller of Hatfield and the North and In Cahoots.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 00:17
Did I mention that The Wrong Object's website has some freely downloadable live tracks on it?

I didn't did I?

Well I just did.

Definitely worth checking out, especially:

King Kong
Seven for Lee (both versions)
The Unbelievable Truth
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