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Posted: March 29 2008 at 08:25

Only when done by 801. Tongue

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Posted: March 29 2008 at 18:16

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Only when done by 801. Tongue

Which means Eno was paying his tribute to this song

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 19:41

Working on the facts stated in this post, would that make the original Dr Who theme progressive? Which was recorded in 1963, if memory serves me right.

If you go through nearly every band in the world, all their music has progressed from the beginning, i thought prog rock was more than that?

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 19:56

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If you go through nearly every band in the world, all their music has progressed from the beginning, i thought prog rock was more than that?

-- many artists progressed only to a point and settled on a certain sound (or even regressed).. still more made and continue to make traditional music, whether rock, jazz, pop, whatever, and that music may be used as standard for what 'prog' usually veers way from

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:12

This seems like an advert for Prog Rock Records which would love to call every music under the sun progressive.

I completely disagree that all music should be described as progressive in the way that prog rock is considered. However, i find that many bands who are covered with the name prog rock (or it's many guises) are far from prog, and it seems to be a way for underhand tactics from certain record companies to obtain music from the masses and make them pay outrages prices.

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:17

rhinn wrote:

This seems like an advert for Prog Rock Records which would love to call every music under the sun progressive.

what the hell are you talking about?

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:21

Read big boss, and your reply would affirm their rertoric.

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:24

Big Boss?! I'm my own Big Boss and was simply stating my opinion that there is both traditional and progressive music.. the two are usually distinct and continue to thrive

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:34

I completely disagree, there is a popular movement that this label is trying hard to take all prog and every dodgy relative under its umbrella, and destroy the internet from downloading music. Whether it is available or not.

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Posted: April 01 2008 at 20:42

you seem to be saying two or three different things, but; I agree much music that is labeled as 'Prog' is not.. but so what? It's up to us to recognize that... we're not stupid and those that are fooled by such marketing will have to learn the hard way

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Posted: April 02 2008 at 13:36

rhinn wrote:

Working on the facts stated in this post, would that make the original Dr Who theme progressive? Which was recorded in 1963, if memory serves me right.

If you go through nearly every band in the world, all their music has progressed from the beginning, i thought prog rock was more than that?

This is progessive for rock music in 1966 recording wise in it's recording techinque like the use of vocals through a leslie speaker. Musically it's a new type of musique concrete in how it uses tape loops that makes a swirling soundscape much like in modern music. You add the beat of this song then you have nothing like it before so this song is progressive certainly.

Strawberry Fields Forever could be the first song that the Beatles did that could be considered prog-rock. Both songs were different and progressive in different genres in my honest opinion.

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Posted: April 03 2008 at 04:39

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I think the fact that Beatles BEGAN as a mere pop act blinds alot of people to the truth: that what they ultimately became was one of the most, if not THE most influencial rock artists of all time. Even bands like Yes and Genesis were influenced by them,, for Christ's sake.

They played skiffle as The Quarrymen followed by rock'n'roll, R&B and then pop. They possibly introduced rock with Revolver.

To be more precise, I see "A Hard Day's Night" as their (the?) first true pop album but also as the album that launched proto-prog (obviously in contrast with Certif1ed's opinion, see above). Most notably it introduced Harrison's 12-string, later used in excess by many prog acts. AHDN cracked open the US market thus mading a huge impact on the development of music, soon to turn into more proggier stuff. AHDN also departed from music with the typical breaks or semi-breaks.

"Tomorrow Never Knows" is progressive as it changed the way musicians would approach and write music. It brought more freedom into the process of writing music. One aspect of proto-prog which is often overlooked is that it also has to do with how the psychology surrounding the music changed - Tomorrow Never Knows had that effect on music and it "exploded" into new genres, including prog.

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Posted: April 03 2008 at 11:41

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Dance music? Funny, because in many ways it was one of their first true NON-dance tunes

Oh, I don't know. I envision Deadheads dancing to it when on their mind altering drugs.

If you've ever heard Setting Sun by the Chemical Brothers you'll know how close Tomorrow Never Knows is to dance music.

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Posted: April 03 2008 at 19:12

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p0mt3 wrote:

They played skiffle as The Quarrymen followed by rock'n'roll, R&B and then pop. They possibly introduced rock with Revolver.

A Hard Days Night was a important album for The Byrds and folk rock in America. Folk was creeping into their work and it was more focused on Beatles For Sale , I' m A Loser and What You're Doing. Also A Hard Days Night had no covers.

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 08:58

rhinn wrote:

Working on the facts stated in this post, would that make the original Dr Who theme progressive? Which was recorded in 1963, if memory serves me right.

I'd agree with that.

Delia Derbyshire's electronic realisation of Ron Grainer's composition is truly mind-blowing, given when it was made - you're right, it was 1963.

The album "An Electric Storm" that she worked on with David Vorhaus in the group "White Noise" is decades ahead of it's time - the opening track is the basis of bands like Portishead and other Trip-Hop acts, and the rest almost defies description.

Delia was one of the first proggers

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 11:55

Certif1ed wrote:

rhinn wrote:

Working on the facts stated in this post, would that make the original Dr Who theme progressive? Which was recorded in 1963, if memory serves me right.

I'd agree with that.

Delia Derbyshire's electronic realisation of Ron Grainer's composition is truly mind-blowing, given when it was made - you're right, it was 1963.

Delia was one of the first proggers

You forgot some major points about Tomorrow Never Knows is more of the blueprint for more of the modern dance forms like Acid House or Psychedelic Techno. The repetitive drumming, hypnotic and droning bassline and the swirling soundscapes created by tape loops or samples. Plus listen to that drum sound. Of course there was experimental music outside of rock in 1963 doing great things but we are talking about progressive rock not progressive music outside the rock frame.

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 14:27

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....ultimately, the fab 4 did indeed make something more akin to modern dance music than Prog Rock with "TMK".

There is a thriving Progressive Dance set of genres, based on exactly this sort of methodology - except using the far easier to use computer/sampler based setup. The difficulty in these genres is sorting out the few really creative artists (and there are some!) from the copy and paste merchants.

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 14:49

Certif1ed wrote:

(From previous page)

Certif1ed wrote:

....ultimately, the fab 4 did indeed make something more akin to modern dance music than Prog Rock with "TMK".

Sorry, Certified I have to say I do respect your opinion and knowledge. I am in a prog-band when I first heard this song on the radio I said what is this and who is the band. Then the woman on the radio said it was the Beatles let's say I was suprised.

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 15:02

^ That's exactly my point. Folks don't normally see The Beatles as a very experimental band, yet they were exactly that! I freaked one of my friends out a long time ago when I played him TMK. He hates The Beatles, yet he liked that song. When I told him who it was, he didn't quite know what to think!

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Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:37

Won't quote any particular post, but one has to admit it's extremely ironic that Ringo's drumming on the tune would come to be seen as a major influence on latter-day music. And I do not mean this in a bad way at all. Ringo always knew how to hold a beat (he was a Beat-le after all).