what about joe satriani?

^ this type of experimentation can be heard on all the other albums too:

Passion and Warfare: Ballerina, Audience is Listening, Alien Water Kiss
Sex & Religion: Pig, Down Deep Into the Pain
Fire Garden: Fire Garden Suite, Warm Regards
Alien Love Secrets: Kill the Guy With The Ball/The God Eaters
Ultra Zone: most tracks,  standout song: Lucky Charms
...

^ he's strongly influenced by Zappa ... around 1980 he played in Zappa's band and you can hear this influence on Flexable, and the other tracks I mentioned. Note also the track "Frank" on The Ultra Zone, and the disc which is part of the Jewel Box, which contains an hour's worth of Zappa recordings which feature Vai.

Certif1ed wrote:   Without the compositions to back them up, it simply becomes progressive (ie, not part of the genre, but literally).

you mean becouse his a solo performer and his music is mostly focusing on the guitar? what about "AL Di MEOLA" or "TONY LEVIN", or  any other solo reformer on this site.. its going no were.

This thread is only a month old, so I don't mind resurrecting it. I'm something of a Satch fan, which is how I arrived here. Anyway, both sides of this 'debate' have made infuriatingly shallow arguments, even the people with lots of posts and stars. Why hasn't anyone with the know-how examined Satch's discography and compared it to the PR requirements? Why is everyone too busy shouting about their pet peeves: "No 'if X, then why not Y' arguments!" That's just intellectually stifling, and I felt bluesynight had a good case about selective application of the PR standards, which was silenced by the higher level forum attendees (although it was technically irrelevant to the original topic, but that was not the reason bluesynight was getting flamed). Although he wasn't helping his own case much by calling people and ideas "stupid."

The point is, I'm not going to just drop into this forum and electronically shout someone down, or give a six word response with no backing evidence ("Satriani is in no way prog" for instance). Sorry if I seem rude myself, but this was a very disheartening thread...no-one actually had any wisdom to share with the questioner, only trivialities about guitarists *other than Satch*.

Someone analyze the guitarist in question, please.

Well, I was more interested in the arguments for and against Satch's inclusion, rather than the policies related to the PR genre. You seem more satisfied with this thread than I am, perhaps because you were involved with the natural flow of the discussion and I only discovered it today, wanting to know how people thought of Satriani. I felt the examination of Satch's style, especially in relation to prog, was cursory at best. Either that, or not elaborated upon properly. With a few exceptions.

it sounds like Hirgwath would like to have seen an examination of the qualifiers in balance, each album and perhaps key tracks looked at and reasoned as to why Satch is or is not 'progressive rock'

ouuu pls under vai its says "modern composer", and when i asked why Yngwie is not here, this is the bast answer i got...

debrewguy wrote: Yngnut, I mean, Yngwie's ego is too big to get through the door. Of course now his puffy face almost matches his overblown opinion of himself.

prog related have no guide lines or policy's, and the team is adding bands by they personal opinion, sabbat is a good example... what next motorhead? look, i dont give a crap, do what you want, i just giving you my personal opinion.


as for satch...
satch was the first pure shred solo performer, but the question i ask myself is did he created something new? or is he just doing something old, but in a very high technical lvl. to be honest i kind of sick of this argument.