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Endless Wire
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Topic: Pain of Salvation Posted: March 25 2008 at 16:41 |
Recently I have been unable to put down my POS albums (I have all except Scarsick) and have begun to realize the sheer genious involved in their music. I thought people could post on this thread things that stand out about Pain of Salvation to each person.
One of my favorite things that stands out about Pain of Salvation is the way they reprise (often hidden) melodies or themes throughout the course of an album. I would love to hear those themes that you have found, as some are harder to find than others.
I would also love to hear interpretations of specific albums since they are all concept albums. Many of Daniel's ideas are very deep and hard to understand based on the lyrics alone.
So just discuss what you love about Pain of Salvation, but please no bashing unless their is a specific thing that you would like to discuss (maturely!).
Have fun 
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 16:44 |
there was a time where PoS was glorified on this board...then Scarsick came out and the rooster crowed three times
anyway I still love 'em, haven't listened to them in a while though
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ProgBagel
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 17:20 |
Favorite prog-metal band, these guys are great. 'The Perfect Element' has the largest amount of recurring themes, although they are altered, depending on the mood. Something I deeply love about this great band.
Waiting till someone talks about Daniel and the 'P' word. It's usually by the people who don't even understand what it means.
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zappaholic
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 20:49 |
The only pieces of theirs that I have are Entropia and Be. Musically they're miles apart. It might pique my interest to hear how they evolved.
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gray
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Posted: March 26 2008 at 07:42 |
I don't really know what I like about them the most. I remember when I first heard them eight or nine years ago. At the time I was a big DT fan and while I was searching for similar band POS just surprised me as something completely different and unique. The recurring melodies mentioned is one of the things that stand out, and to me, the best thing about concept albums.
I am also one of the few I suppose who actually really likes Scarsick. In fact, the one album of theirs I don't care so much for is BE.
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Norbert
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Posted: March 26 2008 at 12:17 |
I have not lost my interest in them, nothing changes the excellence of their first 5 studio albums, and Scarsick is much less awful than it is often said to be.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 26 2008 at 13:12 |
Okay, I'm going to have to listen to SCARSICK now. Everybody hates it, and I'm gonna have to find out why, aye?
If you want my opinion, PoS along with Tool are the two most progressive metal acts of the day-- in the TRUE sense of the word 'progressive'. So amny other bands around them seem to have stagnated over the course of their career, but these guys always seem to be coming up with something fresh and different each album. So, even though folkes may not like SCARSICK (the jury is still out on my verdict), you have to admit that Gildenlow has never repeaterd himself yet, which in itself is an achievement worth respecting.
My personal favorite album of theirs (Of the ones I have heard) is REMEDY LANE. Just phenominal music on every level, that one.
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CCVP
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Posted: March 27 2008 at 21:16 |
I REALLY like pain of salvation because of 2 reasons: they are very proggy, being probably the most progressive band on the mainstream progressive metal scene ( consider them a progressive rock band with metal influences), and the fact that ALL of their albums are conceptual, with deep concepts and very interesting lyrics.
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Posted: March 28 2008 at 18:46 |
I've spent a few days thinking about this, and how not to turn it into an extended ramble. As most of the long time members will know, PoS are by far my favourite band, I honestly believe that they have not made a bad album ever, even Scarsick, though this last one does leave a lot to be desired in comparison to their previous masterpieces.
They are an exceptionally creative band, no two albums sound alike and each one has its own, unique sound to it that is not recreated (well) by any other band. Each member of the band is technically very proficiant, about equal in level with Dream Theater IMO, but Gildenlow never lets the desire to show just how good they are get in the way of composition, and its this fact that is the most important, and probably why one of very few bands that could have pulled off Be. Most importantly, they are able to make an emtional connection between the listener and the music.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: March 28 2008 at 20:03 |
i like pain of salvation because the music makes me ache, in the most glorious way possible.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 15:06 |
sleeper wrote:
I've spent a few days thinking about this, and how not to turn it into an extended ramble. As most of the long time members will know, PoS are by far my favourite band, I honestly believe that they have not made a bad album ever, even Scarsick, though this last one does leave a lot to be desired in comparison to their previous masterpieces.
They are an exceptionally creative band, no two albums sound alike and each one has its own, unique sound to it that is not recreated (well) by any other band. Each member of the band is technically very proficiant, about equal in level with Dream Theater IMO, but Gildenlow never lets the desire to show just how good they are get in the way of composition, and its this fact that is the most important, and probably why one of very few bands that could have pulled off Be. Most importantly, they are able to make an emtional connection between the listener and the music. |
Very good points indeed, sleeper.
May I also add that Gildenlow is probably one of the most multi-talented musicians/singers/songwriters/conceptual artists/stage performers/intellectuals in music today? He is incredibly gifted in so many ways, it blows my mind. The man is a walking testament of what a little self-confidence and perserverance can lead to. Hell, he started this whole thing when he was a pre-teen!
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 18:32 |
Phew.... here we go
All of their albums until Scarsick are at least very good and emotional efforts. The first two reveal their 'heaviest' side that evolved and found their peak in The Perfect Element. This album is beyond any doubt the peak of creativity for this band. Remedy Lane and Be were both respectable albums but not at the same level. Scarsick finds the band in their weakest form ever with some uninspired tracks and tunes.
I don't know what the future holds for them, but there will hardly be any 'perfect elements'...
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sleeper
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 19:44 |
p0mt3 wrote:
sleeper wrote:
I've spent a few days thinking about this, and how not to turn it into an extended ramble. As most of the long time members will know, PoS are by far my favourite band, I honestly believe that they have not made a bad album ever, even Scarsick, though this last one does leave a lot to be desired in comparison to their previous masterpieces.
They are an exceptionally creative band, no two albums sound alike and each one has its own, unique sound to it that is not recreated (well) by any other band. Each member of the band is technically very proficiant, about equal in level with Dream Theater IMO, but Gildenlow never lets the desire to show just how good they are get in the way of composition, and its this fact that is the most important, and probably why one of very few bands that could have pulled off Be. Most importantly, they are able to make an emtional connection between the listener and the music. |
Very good points indeed, sleeper.
May I also add that Gildenlow is probably one of the most multi-talented musicians/singers/songwriters/conceptual artists/stage performers/intellectuals in music today? He is incredibly gifted in so many ways, it blows my mind. The man is a walking testament of what a little self-confidence and perserverance can lead to. Hell, he started this whole thing when he was a pre-teen! |
Indeed you may add that.  Aapatsos, I wouldnt underestimate PoS's future outputs, they were after something specific on Scarsick which clearly didnt apeal to many of their fans, but arent exactly lacking in ideas. I forsee some good things still to come.
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 20:04 |
Progressive metal isn't exactly my favorite genre; but, hearing all of the good stuff about POS made me test the waters with a few discs. 12:5 was my first disc and I absolutely loved it, but buying Be as the second wasn't a smart move on my part. Although I appreciate it more now, it left me a bit cold in the beginning.
When I got Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element I could tell that this was a unique progressive metal band. Simply not relying on grind-it-out riffs and screaming, they instead based their music on intelligent and introspective lyrics that are still relevant to this day and intricate music.
I will say that I'm a little troubled with the direction of the last couple of discs. Be and Scarsick are good, but nowhere near the shear power and beauty of TPE and Remedy.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 20:21 |
E-Dub wrote:
Progressive metal isn't exactly my favorite genre; but, hearing all of the good stuff about POS made me test the waters with a few discs. 12:5 was my first disc and I absolutely loved it, but buying Be as the second wasn't a smart move on my part. Although I appreciate it more now, it left me a bit cold in the beginning.
When I got Remedy Lane and The Perfect Element I could tell that this was a unique progressive metal band. Simply not relying on grind-it-out riffs and screaming, they instead based their music on intelligent and introspective lyrics that are still relevant to this day and intricate music.
I will say that I'm a little troubled with the direction of the last couple of discs. Be and Scarsick are good, but nowhere near the shear power and beauty of TPE and Remedy.
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Heh . . . I feel a bit kindof stupid at this point, as despite all of my praise of Gildenlow, Be and Scarsick are albums I still have not given a huge listen...scratch that, I haven't heard them at all!
Maybe I'm afraid that my overall impression of them wil be changed by these radically different albums? Ah well, I should be braver than that and take the plundge. At least Be had it's share of fans . . . and who knows, I may even like Scarsick, too, even if it does bash my country quite a bit  (Which by the way, I do plenty of America-bashing myself, so all is well with me in that department  ,).
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 20:37 |
The last time I listened to Be I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'll spin both Be and Scarsick every now and then just to keep fresh on both, but out of the two I like Be. I know "Disco Queen" is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but something about it makes me queezy. Same goes for "America".
Funny how we're such easy targets, but I don't hear a lot of outright protest about countries in serious violation of human rights (at least in my collection). FAR from perfect, but if you live your life in accordance with the law and make smart decisions, one can enjoy a good life with plenty of opportunity here.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: March 30 2008 at 01:23 |
BE is on a completely dif. level than any of their other releases, even if you didnt like it. i wouldnt lump it in with scarsick, which looking back, put me off listening to them till now. im still reeling from that. There was a time when it was all i could do to listen to something else, and now i have to make time for them. Its stilvery powerful when i do its just ive lost that special connection i had. I really like BE and wouldnt be discouraged to try it. It seemed to polarize listeners more so than scarsick which was more or less accepted by a majority as being very weak.
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Posted: March 30 2008 at 06:44 |
Be is quite possibly the most ambitious album of the last 20 years or so, it was always going to have a polerizing affect on the fans, though looking through the reviews I think more people like it than dislike it, its just not a very imediate album. In terms of what they did musically, Scarsick was probalby their least ambitious album but they were after something very specific in that album, which required less intricate music.
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Posted: March 31 2008 at 22:56 |
p0mt3 wrote:
sleeper wrote:
I've spent a few days thinking about this, and how not to turn it into an extended ramble. As most of the long time members will know, PoS are by far my favourite band, I honestly believe that they have not made a bad album ever, even Scarsick, though this last one does leave a lot to be desired in comparison to their previous masterpieces.
They are an exceptionally creative band, no two albums sound alike and each one has its own, unique sound to it that is not recreated (well) by any other band. Each member of the band is technically very proficiant, about equal in level with Dream Theater IMO, but Gildenlow never lets the desire to show just how good they are get in the way of composition, and its this fact that is the most important, and probably why one of very few bands that could have pulled off Be. Most importantly, they are able to make an emtional connection between the listener and the music. |
Very good points indeed, sleeper.
May I also add that Gildenlow is probably one of the most multi-talented musicians/singers/songwriters/conceptual artists/stage performers/intellectuals in music today? He is incredibly gifted in so many ways, it blows my mind. The man is a walking testament of what a little self-confidence and perserverance can lead to. Hell, he started this whole thing when he was a pre-teen! |
Plus he is hot! 
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el böthy
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Posted: March 31 2008 at 23:28 |
E-Dub wrote:
The last time I listened to Be I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'll spin both Be and Scarsick every now and then just to keep fresh on both, but out of the two I like Be. I know "Disco Queen" is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but something about it makes me queezy. Same goes for "America".
Funny how we're such easy targets, but I don't hear a lot of outright protest about countries in serious violation of human rights (at least in my collection). FAR from perfect, but if you live your life in accordance with the law and make smart decisions, one can enjoy a good life with plenty of opportunity here.
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Of course, no one puts that into question (is that right? or have I made a bad translation jejej) but it´s the politics, specially the foreign ones! And that is what bother Gildenlow and , ultimatly, leads him to critizes. Plus, another thing most people dont take into consideration; Scarsick is tol from the "HE" point of view from TPE story! So it not really Gildenlow, but the main carracter! ...I still think the song rocks jejeje
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