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Ghandi 2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
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Pluralism may not be that bad, but I was just making the point point that it could be much, much worse than our current system. I don't closely follow Italian politics either (and I'm sure GR will yell at me), but everything I've seen has shown that the Italian government is in a state of near chaos because of all the infighting parties constantly changing power and alliances. No, Independants mean that people are not willing to closely affiliate with either party because they are centrist or just don't like them. If people really wanted something very different, Ron Paul would have won, or some hardcore socialist would have arisen. They have not; therefore, I must conclude that the major parties more or less represent the political will of the American people, barring a few disagreements that everyone must have with a system of compromise. A pluralistic system would remove that within the party compromise, but people would still have to compromise to get anything done. The GOP base is fracturing (see: Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Dobson, and Ann Coulter vs. McCain), and you can't have a party if you don't have any people. The Whigs (I think) disappeared and were replaced by the Republicans, and the same could happen again. The Democrats would only have a major problem if the Superdelegates overturned a popular vote win by Obama, because Obamanation would be really pissed and possibly leave ala Nader in 2000.
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Failcore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
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I always thought Dr. Dobson meant well, just his head was off in the weeds somewhere.
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obiter ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 05 2006 Location: Donaghadee Status: Offline Points: 116 |
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hmmm
one party state = totalitarian dictatorship ... evil two party state ,,, freedom, truth & liberty multi-party state .... chaotic evil mess... makes pefect sense christian fundamentalism = ok any other form of religious fundamentalim = evil fanaticism makes perfect sense |
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An té nach mbíonn láidir ní folláir dó bheith glic
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Failcore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
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any other form of religious fundamentalim = evil fanaticism
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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Just to make things clear (without yelling at anybody): Italy is NOT in a state of chaos because there are a lot of parties, but because Italians as a whole seem to be unable to see beyond their own individual interests - which makes them unable to get along with each other. I lived almost six years in Finland, where there were quite a few parties, and the situation was nowhere as bad as it is in my own country. Personally, I am not in favour of having dozens of parties, but I don't think having just two is necessarily the answer. The problem is not just related to quantity, to the quality of the offer.
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Hirgwath ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 262 |
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I am very grateful for the two-party system. It keeps things from moving too quickly in one direction, because there will usually be a balance. For instance, in my home state of North Carolina, we have a Democratic governor, state senate, and a few more Democratic national representatives. However, we voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and both of our national senators are Republican. This keeps things from lurching around or radicalizing.
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Skwisgaar Skwigelf: taller than a tree. Toki Wartooth: not a bumblebee. |
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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You can't have a show for the public unless you have at least two puppets er I mean parties
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![]() The bigger the lie the better the show.......ha ha ha
wakey wakey people. |
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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Unless you have some actual evidence of widespread electoral fraud, don't say such dumb things.
20 years isn't that long with 4 year terms, and dynasties make perfect sense without asinine conspiracies. Once you've already been in power, it's much easier to mobilize the political machines to work in your favor, and among the voters, name recognition is one of the primary reasons people choose a candidate. Because some people are just dumb.
You say that it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?, but it's a stupid thing to say once you think about how it's actually fairly likely that someone's son would make a go after his father has been President, and only for one term, and that most presidents have served 2 terms, removing the suspicions around Clinton's and Bush's second term. They have definately played dirty politics, and part of it was being lucky enough to face lame opponents who hamstrung their own campaigns, but you're being insane. There's a difference between questioning and looking for Illuminati thermite charges on the WTC. Edited by Salvo_ - March 21 2008 at 02:39 |
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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It's ok, never mind, forget I said anything, go back to sleep.
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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Calling your opponents ignorant and apathetic is not a good way to debate, only a good way to look like a patronizing jerk.
Give me some evidence, or stop spewing your insanity. I have given you concrete reasons for the events you have observed, you have given me wild unfounded assertions. Edited by Salvo_ - March 21 2008 at 09:06 |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Screw the political parties. Let's just party. Whoohoo!!!
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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You can't possibly be suggesting that we party like a bunch of commies?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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The Communist Party is the best party! ;-)
Sacred, I'm still waiting for your evidence.
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SpaceMonkey ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 13 2007 Location: Philly Area Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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jimmy_row ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 11 2007 Location: Hibernation Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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but it always seemed like half of the people that went in, never came out...
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Signature Writers Guild on strike
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