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    Posted: March 10 2008 at 11:03

Vatican lists "new sins," including pollution

By Philip Pullella Posted Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:00am PDT

A faithful holds the cross during a mass at a Catholic church on the outskirts of Changzhi, Shanxi province December 23, 2007. The Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of 'new' sins such as causing environmental blight. (Stringer/Reuters)

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Thou shall not pollute the Earth. Thou shall beware genetic manipulation. Modern times bring with them modern sins. So the Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of "new" sins such as causing environmental blight.

The guidance came at the weekend when Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number two man in the sometimes murky area of sins and penance, spoke of modern evils.

Asked what he believed were today's "new sins," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that the greatest danger zone for the modern soul was the largely uncharted world of bioethics.

"(Within bioethics) there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control," he said.

The Vatican opposes stem cell research that involves destruction of embryos and has warned against the prospect of human cloning.

Girotti, in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin," also listed "ecological" offences as modern evils.

In recent months, Pope Benedict has made several strong appeals for the protection of the environment, saying issues such as climate change had become gravely important for the entire human race.

Under Benedict and his predecessor John Paul, the Vatican has become progressively "green."

It has installed photovoltaic cells on buildings to produce electricity and hosted a scientific conference to discuss the ramifications of global warming and climate change, widely blamed on human use of fossil fuels.

Girotti, who is number two in the Vatican "Apostolic Penitentiary," which deals with matter of conscience, also listed drug trafficking and social and economic injustices as modern sins.

But Girotti also bemoaned that fewer and fewer Catholics go to confession at all.

He pointed to a study by Milan's Catholic University that showed that up to 60 percent of Catholic faithful in Italy stopped going to confession.

In the sacrament of Penance, Catholics confess their sins to a priest who absolves them in God's name.

But the same study by the Catholic University showed that 30 percent of Italian Catholics believed that there was no need for a priest to be God's intermediary and 20 percent felt uncomfortable talking about their sins to another person.

(Editing by Keith Weir)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 11:41
LOL!!!
 
Did God tell him about these new sins?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 12:24
I don't believe in the idea of 'sin', but I do agree that it was high time a very influential institution like the Catholic Church (nowhere more influential than in my own fair country) took notice of much more serious forms of abuse than having sex before marriage or using condoms - especially since the continuing rape of the Earth could result in the extinction of the human race. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 13:15
Not to knock Catholics or their believers, but the inquisition used to be OK, the sun revolved around the earth, the world was flat, etc...

When any big and powerful organization comes down on the side of what is right, we should all be thankful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:11
I'm not a catholic. I don't really care about this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:25
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I'm not a catholic. I don't really care about this.
 
I'm baffled. yes, I'm not catholic also, but many people (millions) are catholic, and I think it's great that a much followed institution like the church has finally acknowledged pollution and the enviroment. I guess you not caring it's ok. I just hope many catholics do....
 
As Raffaela said, the same idiotic institution that bans condoms and thus promotes aids and over-population and that bans gyas and thus becomes a segregating machine totally against what their Mentor said, has finally done something kind of intelligent.
 
It's a start...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:45
I care for real about environmental issues. "A" church (instead of "the church"; get rid of those conquered/slave habits, T) won't do much for environment, unless you count praying, wich, again, won't do much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:03
The church has the worst PR, ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
As Raffaela said, the same idiotic institution that bans condoms and thus promotes aids and over-population and that bans gyas and thus becomes a segregating machine totally against what their Mentor said, has finally done something kind of intelligent.
 
It's a start...
 
 
 
I have to agree. And is it a first for the Catholic Church to take a stand on something of this nature (pun not intended). They have never uttered a word about pollution, like corporations dumping into waterways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:21
LOL

I suppose it's OK to take a stance on things, but this is silly. What did Jesus have to say about bioethics? Nothing!!! Continuing to apply archaic ideas to issues not even close to covered in the Bible is going to get increasingly hilarious and anachronistic. I live in North America. North America isn't mentioned in the Bible. I guess God wanted us to be surprised...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 17:45
Apparantly the gap between the rich and poor is also a moral disgrace. Perhaps the Catholic church should auction off some of it's vast assets in an act of Christian kindness, to help feed the worlds poor.

21st Century sins..

It was a great day, when the people of Eire stuck their fingers up at the church, went and bought some condoms and had some fun. Look at the place now; booming! Long gone are the days of nuns running everything and kids being threatened with eternal damnation for missing mass. Thats how my mother described Ireland as a child. Sounds like hell on Earth to me..



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:15
One might interpret the Bible to say this already.

"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Genesis 1:24-28

Not to mention that the consequences of ignoring global warming would cause harm to man, an indisputable sin.

//EDIT: By the way, the passage-quoting isn't serious.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:35
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:


//EDIT: By the way, the passage-quoting isn't serious.


That would be a good thing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:52
Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

The church has the worst PR, ever.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 23:22
As some people have mentioned, it's a sign of a very entrenched, conservative institution, finally turning its attention more openly to matters that people of any faith can get behind. It's a good sign, and a step in the right direction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2008 at 23:40
The Bible already says it:
 
Luke 6:31: And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
 
You want to live in a trash deposit? Surely not
 
Do companies have their offices full of toxic waste? I guess no.
 
They throw their trash away from their houses and offices because they are relatively safe (for now), they don't care about heat wave, because they have air conditioner in the dog's house.
 
So the golden rule applies to this situation and it's in the Boible...The Pope has the priviledge to interpret the Bible.
 
The funny thing is that of the Pope does nothing about this issues he'¿s a jerk for most people, and if he does, people makes mockery.
 
Please decide.
 
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Originally posted by CNN.com CNN.com wrote:

Girotti said the Catholic Church continued to be concerned by other sinful acts, including abortion and pedophilia.

He said Church authorities had reacted with rigorous measures to child abuse scandals within the clergy, but he also claimed that the issue had been excessively emphasized by the media.

Quote Father Antonio Pelayo, a Spanish priest and Vatican expert noted that it is time for both sinners and confessors to get over their obsession with sex and think about other ways humans hurt each other in the world in which they live.

"There are many other sins that are perhaps much more grave that don't have anything to do with sex - that have to do with life, that have to do with the environment, that have to do with justice," he told AP Television.


Translation: we are pushing environmentalism to detract from the attention we receive when we transfer pedophiles into parishes full of fresh meat.

I'm also digging people condemning the wealth gap from a palace wearing robes.

Come on Vatican, stop sitting around trying desperate PR move! Take some action. Tell Catholics to do something about Darfur. Better yet, donate some of your vast resources to fixing the problem. Combined, you can really do some good. Meeting with scientists is a great start to understand something being readily dismissed by some high-ranking Christians in America, but looking at those quotes it feels like a cheap distraction from the Church's most pressing issue. Don't guilt Catholics into change; encourage it. How hard is it to say that keeping God's world clean is one of the best things you can do, instead of throwing people in hell for driving an SUV? This may or may not yield any real change, but it does have some promise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2008 at 01:12
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

The Bible already says it:
 
Luke 6:31: And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
 
You want to live in a trash deposit? Surely not
 
Do companies have their offices full of toxic waste? I guess no.
 
They throw their trash away from their houses and offices because they are relatively safe (for now), they don't care about heat wave, because they have air conditioner in the dog's house.
 
So the golden rule applies to this situation and it's in the Boible...The Pope has the priviledge to interpret the Bible.
 
The funny thing is that of the Pope does nothing about this issues he's a jerk for most people, and if he does, people makes mockery.
 
Please decide.
 
Iván
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2008 at 01:59
Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

I care for real about environmental issues. "A" church (instead of "the church"; get rid of those conquered/slave habits, T) won't do much for environment, unless you count praying, wich, again, won't do much.
 
What's this conquered/slave mentality man? You're seeing ghosts everywhere! As I was born in a 90% catholic country, I've called the catholic church THE church always... i don't care for other people's churches as being also THE church, I guess for them, it will be their THE church. I'm non-religious but that doesn't mean I will be offended if somebody says THE church... gee!
 
The thing is, of course it doesn't mean much. But remember: not every person is as independent in their thinking as you are, so there are millions who REALLY obbey what comes out of Rome. So, if ate LEAST ONE PERSON changes his/her attitude towards the enviroment thanks to this new position, it's already a success. Because ONE is better than ZERO.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2008 at 02:48
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:


Translation: we are pushing environmentalism to detract from the attention we receive when we transfer pedophiles into parishes full of fresh meat.


 

I'm really getting sick and tired of this.

 

Do you know what percentage of priests have been ACCUSED of pedophilia?

 

0.2% In the whole world

In other words 2 out of each 1,000 were ACCUSED, but being ACCUSED doesn't mean being GUILTY. Of course newspapers don't talk about the ones being declared innocent
 
In Chicago for example, onlñy 1.8% of th4e accused had any soign of guilt, there was no evidence against more than 98% of the accused priests, but still they were condemned by the press....How do you expect the hieracy (not the Pope) and the legal counselors of the Church not to protect them until proven guilty

 

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How many Catholic clergy are involved in misconduct? We actually have some good information on this issue, since, in the early 1990s, the Archdiocese of Chicago under took abold and thorough self-study. The survey examined every priest who had served in the archdiocese over the previous 4Oyears, some 2,200 individuals, and reopened every internal complaint ever made against these men. The standard of evidence applied was not legal proof that would stand up in a court of law, but just the consensus that a particular charge was probably justified.

By this low standard, the survey found that about 40 priests, about 1.8 percent of the whole, were probably guilty of misconduct with minors at some point in their careers.

Put another way, no evidence existed against about 98 percent of parish clergy, the overwhelming majority of the group. Since other organizations dealing with children have not undertaken such comprehensive studies, we have no idea whether the Catholic figure is better or worse than the rate for school teachers, residential-home counselors, social workers or scoutmasters.

The Chicago study also found that, of the. 2,200 priests, just one was a pedophile. Now, many people are confused about the distinction between a pedophile and a person guilty of sex with a minor. The difference is very significant. The phrase "pedophile priest" conjures up images of the worst violation of innocence, callous molesters Re Father Porter who assault children 7 years old. "Pedophilia" is a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

Casually almost 80% of the ACCUSATIONS are in USA, the only country in the world in which a mother sends his son to sleep im Michael Jackson's bed  and prays for him to abuse his child, because USA SYSTEM MAY GIVE YOU US$ 1'000,000 for falling on a store, probably will settle for 10 times more with a well known pedophile.

 

Do you know how many Christian non Catholic, Jewish, etc members of the clergy are found guilty of Pedophilia? Do you know how many secular teachers? Do you know how many PARENTS ABUSE THEIR KIDS in USA?

 

It's strange that this phenomenon is so wide (if 0.2% is wide) in USA and not the rest of the world? Maybe because in the rest of the world the pedophiles are sent to jail but parents get nothing.

 

I know one is too much, but there are perverts everywhere.

 

Take a read of http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/02/pedophile-pastor-shot.html or http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/01/pedophile-pastor-pleads-guilty.html or http://mojoey.blogspot.com/ or http://www.queerty.com/queer/news/pedophile-pastors-sleazy-porn-game-20070403.php or many others that I found in a couple minutes, but the press ignores them, because they are no news.

 
And I could follow, but of course nobody talks about Pastors of some Church out there or a Rabi in a Synagogue because they are not news, no...The powerful Vatican is news.
 
If a Priest is found guilty, use all the force of the law against him, but be careful with accusations.

 

Now, if the Pope stays quiet about issues that are dangerous for all of us, everybody accuses him of indifference, but if he does something to fight this people make mockery, it's really pathetic, he's doing something positive for all of us, but people still criticize him..

 

People talk about a few corrupt Priests but avoid talking aboout the hundreds or maybe thousands of Priests killed in continents as Africa in the last years or in war zones while making their work, this sounds as hypocrisy.

 

Iván

 
 
            
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