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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 02:40
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Minimalism sounds very futuristic, but bring on the hisses from members here for that one!

Anyway, post-rock/metal, and avant-garde would be my picks.


I would disagree. Post Rock anything seems largely about atmosphere. Or if you're English, call it w**king. Avant-Garde is already largely trying to impress upon people that the noise you're making is actually music. And just as abstract art can only get so abstract, so can avant-garde only go so far until it comes back to reality.
Remember the big brouhaha in Canada some 20 years ago about the painting Wall of Fire or something like that. One of our MPs was horrified to learn that our National Arts Board has paid 1.5 Million for something that he could have done in 10 minutes with a roller & two cans of paint. Yes, some of us are not attuned to high art. But most of us can detect bullsh*t. And so, at the end, the important part will remain the song. Which rarely seems to be a goal of Avant_Gardists.



Avant-garde isn't all about Dadaism. I hate most Dadaist avant-garde bands. There are many facets to this kind of music, and I can truly see it progressing into the future unlike modern-day "prog" rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 02:50
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

In the future, all music will sound like the opening theme from the original Star Trek.
 
that, or we'll end up with a cyberpunk distopia where everything but crunk rap or country is illegal.
 
*Runs and hides under a table in fear of this bleak future*
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 02:52
If you think that's scary, consider that we are about due for another rockabilly revival.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 07:08
The fact that the huge popularity of bands like the Fratellis, Arctic Monkeys, Strokes, Libertines, Razorlight etc is happening now has kind of shifted the pop band focus away from midi and electronics and placed it back into the hands of blokes playing instruments.
 Thats a little like punk I suppose.

maybe a mainstream prog revival next ?  maybe not ?

Hold on.... when is the last time a genre was invented ?  Heavy Metal, NWOBHM, Thrash Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal, Hardcore Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, NWOAHM, Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal, Alternative Metal, New Metal...   its all metal, either heavy or very heavy.

Punk, Hardcore Punk, Pop Punk, Ska Punk

And a billion types of pop,   but it always seems to be two things mixed together.. eg. Hardcore Metal or Progressive Death Metal.

Has anyone invented a genre recently ?

The music of the future will involve somebody mixing two things together, like progressive Ska Punk or electronic regae or something.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 17:13
Originally posted by Gentlegiantprog Gentlegiantprog wrote:


Hold on.... when is the last time a genre was invented ?  Heavy Metal, NWOBHM, Thrash Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal, Hardcore Metal, Melodic Death Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, NWOAHM, Progressive Metal, Progressive Death Metal, Alternative Metal, New Metal...   its all metal, either heavy or very heavy.

Punk, Hardcore Punk, Pop Punk, Ska Punk

And a billion types of pop,   but it always seems to be two things mixed together.. eg. Hardcore Metal or Progressive Death Metal.

Has anyone invented a genre recently ?
 
Post-Rock is so far from rock, it could easily be called another genre, and it's relatively new.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 20:33
HEY! It was me in a review who said Battles is the music of the future!Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 20:43
 ^ LOL   well they aren't anymore  Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 21:28
Well I mean...though Electronic music tends to be a bit less emotional at times, I think a lot of newer music still conveys loads of emotion:

Ulver's Shadows of the Sun and Blood Inside, though both highly programmed/electronic, they both still reflect loads of emotion and mood.

And if we look at Radiohead's and Thom Yorke's electronic works, we once again hear much emotion shining through the programs. As for bands like Battles and perhaps Meshuggah (though completely different) that sound a bit more like machines, I think there are still moods present; Battles to me is very frantic/frolicking/happy while Meshuggah is deathly, harrowing, and apocalyptic.

The replies in this topic kind of wandered, so I'm not sure if I'm even answering the question the thread-maker was asking, but I think the music of the future, as it is called, will still be full of emotion and new ideas (as all four of the bands I mentioned are innovative in my opinion); however, I think this emotion and these ideas will be fresher, generally more experimental, and perhaps a bit more varied.

The above sentiment, however, is my opinion, as I am slightly biased towards newer music than towards older music (unless we get into, you know, classical [as a genre] music, which I think will always be effective and emotional, as well as an influence).

To answer the question bluntly, I think there will be acts that shun emotion as a precursor (Meshuggah, Battles) and favor a more programmed, machine-like sound; however, I think this is okay, as I think no matter what, if the music is earnest, the emotions and ideas embodied in it will continue to shine through as they always have.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 09:02
OK, so serious version of the future of music:  I think the current trends will continue and sort of solidify themselves.
This is how I see it:
What's happening now is that the "mainstream" is becoming narrower and narrower, with the big money acts (I won't call them artists) becoming fewer in number as record labels have lesh cash to spend on development.  There will always be a few mega pop/hip-hop/rock stars who will dominate the top 40, which will be easy because there will only be about 40 of them.  This is the dark side of the future.
 
The brighter side is, with digital music becoming more and more acceptable, it will become even easier for individuals to promote themselves without the help of a label.  The key will be niche marketing, and sites like PA will be a key part of it, and they already are.  Through simple word of mouth (or word of internet, in this case) an independent artist of any genre can connect with their potential fans without any need for someone to foot the bill.  In this way, we will continue to see a resurgence of independent artists who are just doing what they love to do.  There will be a much greater diversity of music on a more level plain of popularity, and fewer artists will need to compromise their vision for the need to "get signed".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 09:28
^ My thoughts exactly, which I've expressed in a shorter and much less understandable post now hopefully lost in time Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 10:55
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

OK, so serious version of the future of music:  I think the current trends will continue and sort of solidify themselves.
This is how I see it:
What's happening now is that the "mainstream" is becoming narrower and narrower, with the big money acts (I won't call them artists) becoming fewer in number as record labels have lesh cash to spend on development.  There will always be a few mega pop/hip-hop/rock stars who will dominate the top 40, which will be easy because there will only be about 40 of them.  This is the dark side of the future.
 
The brighter side is, with digital music becoming more and more acceptable, it will become even easier for individuals to promote themselves without the help of a label.  The key will be niche marketing, and sites like PA will be a key part of it, and they already are.  Through simple word of mouth (or word of internet, in this case) an independent artist of any genre can connect with their potential fans without any need for someone to foot the bill.  In this way, we will continue to see a resurgence of independent artists who are just doing what they love to do.  There will be a much greater diversity of music on a more level plain of popularity, and fewer artists will need to compromise their vision for the need to "get signed".
Sounds true. If you really want to put out your music, you have way more chances of doing it now. I'm old enough to remember when it was a big deal for a local band to put out their own record, LP eh. IT indicated a certain financial success no matter if you were a cover band or not.
Now with Pro Tools, and home recordings available to many, it's often a question of will.
SO bands put out what THEY want, be it retro, derivative, unconventional or even totally non-commercial. Heck, some acts even pay for a small run of CDs as vanity projects - I did it 'cause I can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 11:02
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

If you think that's scary, consider that we are about due for another rockabilly revival.
 
The Stray Cats are going on tour! Quality!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 12:14
People have been predicting Orwellian bleak machine dominated futures  where we are all clones and controlled by a unseen evil force. Something between "Get em out by Friday and the MAtrix. I don't buy this.

Music will always be one of the fairest fruits of humanity. A good melody will always win through. Genres will come and go and if one genre takes hold, over time the pendulum will swing in the other direction to different styles.

Its great the diversity we create from 12 notes.

We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 16:11
I remember being asked by the mother of a friend of mine when I was a young teen if it wasn't true that all the melodies had been nearly used up. I look back and laugh when I think about that. I doubt that any one music will ever dominate the world. Beware Musical World Domination! (new bumper sticker)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 23:07
I thought the music of the future was already here:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2008 at 14:58
There is still a lot of potential musical fusion. In some ways rock was a fusion of European popular music and African American blues. Progressive music still remains largely anchored in Euro rock. There has been minimal fusion with influences outside of Europe and North America. Prog/folk fusions are also Eurocentric. Look what Paul Simon was able to achieve with Graceland - a new sound. It remains to be seen what sounds can emerge with more Indian/African/Middle Eastern/Asian fusions.

As I type this I am aaware that my knowledge of the genre is ot that deep so I am ready to be corrected.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:44
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

I thought the music of the future was already here:
 
 
i have to agree somewhat, that some of the Prog Metal, and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal bands really are leading the way in terms of making music in more creative and insanely technical ways. Not to say it;s not happening in other genres, but these two seem to move pretty fast IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 13:49
Eventually music from all cultures and times will fuse together into a messy electronic style that no one will deviate from for the fear of being considered prejudiced against the cultures or time periods they did not include. All instruments would be used as well, but played very badly, as it would be hard to play every single instrument well. No one will have those tin whistle prejudices, because that is downright whistlist. Then someone will go against that with something really primitive, everyone will be really shocked, and the whole history of music will repeat. Except with electricity.
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