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Atavachron
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Posted: February 23 2008 at 20:34 |
micky wrote:
Hell... you were a bit of a rocker in your day brother hahhaha
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oh I was a friggin headbanger for days.. the Bay Area metal scene was kickin back then
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micky
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Posted: February 23 2008 at 20:37 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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laplace
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Posted: February 23 2008 at 23:52 |
That's true. I think rock is dorky and I love Genesis' "Nursery Cryme" so much I could squeal whenever its name is mentioned. o:)
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Drew
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Posted: February 23 2008 at 23:57 |
Genesis (older of course)
That's about it.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 00:00 |
it's odd because The Musical Box's middle section almost strikes me as proto-metal, at least the leads and to a lesser extent the galloping rhythm
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laplace
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 00:10 |
It does have a gallop, but it's amiable and flooded with mellotron that it rushes by, and I giggle through it all. Hogweed has rock moments, too, but they're just so... so... upper-class that I don't mind them.
Gentle Giant are exactly the same way. I can giggle through the bluesy-rocksy section of Peel the Paint because of what it's surrounded by - sheer exuberant nonsentricity. =)
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burritounit
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 00:21 |
I think I have a problem with most of the classic prog bands. I just can't get into them. It's really strange for me to really get into one.
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"I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..."
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WaywardSon
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 02:32 |
There are 3 very popular bands that I canīt get into
1 TMV- Really donīt get it at all, just a din!
2 Tool-Too alternative
3 Opeth-Still working on it
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 03:44 |
Post-rock. Anything Post-Rock I just cannot understand.
Post-Metal on the other hand is quite good quite good.
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 04:06 |
Though I am aware that personal taste can't really be explained, I think it would be interesting to know why we can't get into the bands or artists we have mentioned so far - especially if they are in some way close to what we usually dig. This, if I have understood correctly, was the actual point of Laplace's thread...
Personally, I found the results of the Ultimate Prog Tournament quite interesting in this respect, particularly as regards the ELP vs Camel poll. With ELP being one of the founding bands of the whole prog scene of the early Seventies, it is amazing (to say the least) that there are so many prog fans who dislike them to the point of preferring a pleasant yet ultimately uninfluential band like Camel. While, to my way of thinking, it is perfectly understandable for a fan of Camel or Caravan not to 'get' Opeth or Mastodon, it is much less so for a Yes fan not to get ELP.
I realise explaining our tastes is far from easy, mainly because they have a definitely irrational component - however, it would make for a much more interesting discussion, don't you think so?
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 04:20 |
indeed Raff, very interesting points, the subtle but vast differences in tastes are a mystery.. I know I liked Yes and Tull many years before ELP or Genesis, which makes little sense, though maybe Yes and Tull provided a rock'n roll doorway into Prog that I could relate to (namely an emphasis on the guitar) ..and just when I think I know someone else's taste they surprise me
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A B Negative
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 12:35 |
It's one of those "if you like X and Y you should like Z" scenarios for me. I love Gong, Hawkwind and Steve Hillage but Ozric Tentacles leave me cold. When I saw them at the Reading Festival in 1993 (?) I fell asleep.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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laplace
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 12:45 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Though I am aware that personal taste can't really be explained, I think it would be interesting to know why we can't get into the bands or artists we have mentioned so far - especially if they are in some way close to what we usually dig. This, if I have understood correctly, was the actual point of Laplace's thread...
Personally, I found the results of the Ultimate Prog Tournament quite interesting in this respect, particularly as regards the ELP vs Camel poll. With ELP being one of the founding bands of the whole prog scene of the early Seventies, it is amazing (to say the least) that there are so many prog fans who dislike them to the point of preferring a pleasant yet ultimately uninfluential band like Camel. While, to my way of thinking, it is perfectly understandable for a fan of Camel or Caravan not to 'get' Opeth or Mastodon, it is much less so for a Yes fan not to get ELP.
I realise explaining our tastes is far from easy, mainly because they have a definitely irrational component - however, it would make for a much more interesting discussion, don't you think so?
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I think it's a consequence of a group of bands who aren't necessarily all that similar being placed in a genre, because although both bands are flagships for symphonic prog, there's not much overlap between EL&P and Camel beyond the fact that both bands employ REALLY annoying keyboard sounds. ;P Browsing through last.fm I often see people with Yes, Tull and King Crimson all high on their charts, and those bands can differ wildly. Meshuggah, Dream Theater and Anathema are a popular trio of prog metal bands who end up together in the same way, but should really appeal to entirely separate audiences. Secondly, in our effort to offer explanations as to why we should and shouldn't like certain music, we forget that the songs are important, too! UK's a band packed full of my favourite musicians, playing the *style* of music I appreciate... I just don't like their songwriting! =P
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rudderhead
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 23:00 |
indeed Raff , very interesting points, the subtle but vast differences in tastes are a mystery..I know I liked Yes and Tull many years before ELP or Genesis, which makes little sense, though maybe Yes and Tull provided a rock n roll doorway into prog that I could relate (namely an emphasis on guitar) ! ________________________________________________________________________________!
NONSENSE I think ELP sound much more rock n roll than jethro or yes. They sound much more aggressive and boisterous despite being keyboard based. I think ELP are one of the most creative, adventurous and exciting progbands there is. Lot of fun too. Not as boring as King Crimson with Robert Fripp's never-ending noodling. What a snooze-fest. Keith, Greg and Carl are the proggods
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micky
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 23:08 |
rudderhead wrote:
indeed Raff , very interesting points, the subtle but vast differences in tastes are a mystery..I know I liked Yes and Tull many years before ELP or Genesis, which makes little sense, though maybe Yes and Tull provided a rock n roll doorway into prog that I could relate (namely an emphasis on guitar) ! ________________________________________________________________________________!
NONSENSE I think ELP sound much more rock n roll than jethro or yes. They sound much more aggressive and boisterous despite being keyboard based. I think ELP are one of the most creative, adventurous and exciting progbands there is. Lot of fun too. Not as boring as King Crimson with Robert Fripp's never-ending noodling. What a snooze-fest. Keith, Greg and Carl are the proggods
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Welcome to the forum... that is what is called.. announcing your presence with authority. Not bad.. but King Crimson boring? Cold, mechanical... soulless? ..perhaps... but boring. Nah.
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: February 25 2008 at 00:34 |
I have a few bands like this, for one of two reasons:
1) THey aren't my style.
Here fits bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Pain of Salvation.
2) I haven't listened ot them enough.
Here lies Soft Machine mainly....All I hear is a bunch of aimless jams, however I think that's because I've only heard a half dozen of the tracks on volume 1+2 put together and only the first halves of the first two tracks on Third.
Welcome to the forum... that is what is called.. announcing your presence with authority. Not bad.. but King Crimson boring? Cold, mechanical... soulless? ..perhaps... but boring. Nah. |
sarcasm I assume, as I know that KC could never be called cold, mechanical, or soulless..
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MusicalSalmacis
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Posted: February 25 2008 at 01:27 |
I am surprised to see so many people dislike so many bands. When I listen to music I enjoy it if it's good, I don't have a particular "style" or anything. And about rockers not enjoying Genesis, that sounds very weird to me because before I got into prog I listened mainly to rock & metal and the first two prog bands that clicked for me was Genesis (w Nursery Cryme) and VdGG (w Pawn Hearts).
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A B Negative
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Posted: February 25 2008 at 02:45 |
rudderhead wrote:
indeed Raff , very interesting points, the subtle but vast differences in tastes are a mystery..I know I liked Yes and Tull many years before ELP or Genesis, which makes little sense, though maybe Yes and Tull provided a rock n roll doorway into prog that I could relate (namely an emphasis on guitar) ! ________________________________________________________________________________!
NONSENSE I think ELP sound much more rock n roll than jethro or yes. They sound much more aggressive and boisterous despite being keyboard based. I think ELP are one of the most creative, adventurous and exciting progbands there is. Lot of fun too. Not as boring as King Crimson with Robert Fripp's never-ending noodling. What a snooze-fest. Keith, Greg and Carl are the proggods
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What about Emerson's never-ending noodling?
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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laplace
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Posted: February 25 2008 at 14:16 |
I've never heard Fripp noodle or play anything without consequence - even when he improvises, he's providing structure! His guitar playing is a model of restraint and that's why a lot of the "shred" guys don't appreciate him.
ok, I lied. Fripp plays on Islands and Beat and I think those albums are fairly inconsequential. teeheehee
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: February 25 2008 at 15:32 |
Genesis. I love Yes and ELP especially along with early KC and really felt like i was missing something everybody else was hearing so i bought Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme but to no avail. Its not bad, its just uninspiring and . . . flat sounding. im trying though.
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