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obiter
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 21:10 |
None of the above although Gauss is the obvious choice. My vote goes to ....
Srinivasa Ramanujan
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An té nach mbíonn láidir ní folláir dó bheith glic
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martinn
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 21:28 |
And what about Cauchy?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 05:43 |
obiter wrote:
None of the above although Gauss is the obvious choice. My vote goes to ....
Srinivasa Ramanujan
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Ramanujan was certainly unique and outstanding; he was what I would call an "intuitive mathematician".
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 07:29 |
Russell Crowe.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 07:41 |
How about Nicolas Bourbaki? Mathematicians will of course know why I put the twinkle here.
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 09:05 |
^ Mathematicians and those who know Google ... I never liked mathematics ... one wonders how I got my degree in computational science.
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:08 |
The most beautiful formula in mathematics, however, is eiπ + 1 = 0. It combines the five most important numbers in mathematics in one formula: 0
is the neutral element of addition and thus one of the basic numbers of
mathematics. Interestingly it took mankind some time to "discover" this
number; its discovery was one of the most important breakthroughs in
mathematics. 1 is of course equally important, being the neutral element of multiplication and the basis of all counting. π
is of course the most important number in geometry and trigonometry. It
is approximately 3.14159265359...., a non-periodic decimal fracture. It
is defined as the ratio of a circle's circumference and its diameter. e
is just as equally important in calculus as π is in geometry. It is the
basis of natural logarithm; it's value is approximately
2.7182818284590... i is the square root of -1. Some people may say
"you can't draw the square root out of a negative number", but
mathematicians invented a new kind of numbers for that, the so called
"imaginary numbers". Their basis is i; it is the square root of -1. It
is very important for solving polynomials. These five numbers are
probably the five most important numbers in mathematics. To see them
combined in one formula, together with the three basic arithmetic
operations (addition, multiplication, exponentiation; subtraction,
division and extracting roots are merely the inverses of these
operations), is sheer beauty.
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Padraic
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:15 |
BaldFriede wrote:
The most beautiful formula in mathematics, however, is eiπ + 1 = 0.
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It is of the utmost importance in engineering, where the general formula is used all the time: e^(ix) = cos(x) + i*sin(x) so that for x=pi you get the formula quoted above.
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Posted: June 30 2008 at 23:06 |
Ramanujan is indeed special but I didn't include him because while I feel he certainly had the natural ability to contend with those on the list, his output and importance of his results were hurt by his severe lack of training. If he had been born into more fortunate circumstances he certainly would be on the platform as all of these men, but unfortunately it was not so.
As a sidenote: There's a great biography written about him, which is fascinating even for those who aren't interested in math, called The Man WHo Knew Infinity by Kanigel. Check it out.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:20 |
This thread may give me nightmares.
Math is apparently good. Numbers larger than 1,000 are likely to give me anxiety attacks (as well as anything less than -10, irrational, imaginary, or anything that has a letter or symbol to represent it).
Edited by stonebeard - July 01 2008 at 00:25
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:42 |
I'm voting for Sir Issac Newton, because he's one of the only mathmaticians I am actually familiar with
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rileydog22
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:59 |
Leibniz>Newton at mathematics alone IMO.
Of course, it's impossible to top Newton's achievements when you include physics and other achievements outside of "pure mathematics."
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 01:00 |
Lagrange has no votes and it should remain that way. Damn remainder formula.
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<font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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WinterLight
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 09:46 |
BaldFriede wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
moreitsythanyou wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Georg Cantor is definitely missing on the list. Bertrand Russel should be on the list too, in my opinion.
Absolutely agreed. Without Cantor, we may not have had the motivation for set theory. However, Russell's work is generally perceived as important historically only. (Also realize that many mathematicians don't think highly of logicians--it's childish, I admit, but it's quite true.) I would also add Hilbert, Godel, Tarski, and Erdos to this list.
By the way, Einstein is better known for his contributions to physics, but he had to invent a great part of the mathematics needed for his General Theory of Relativity himself.
Einstein (as well as Newton and Euclid) really don't deserve a spot anywhere on a list of great mathematicians: he didn't "invent" any of the mathematics involved in general relativity (that stuff--differential geometry and tensor analysis--was well known and had already been applied in other areas of physics like fluid dynamics and electromagnetic field theory).
I must admit though that the beauty of e i *pi + 1 = 0 has never ceased to amaze me. The 5 most important numbers in the world combined into one formula, two of them being irrational, two others the most basic numbers in the world (and the neutral elements of addtion and multiplication), and one the square root of -1.
I think you mean "identity" rather than "neutral elements."
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Actually, three of them are irrational. i cannot be expressed as the quotient of two integers.
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Doesn't a number have to be real in order to be considered irrational, though? not sure myself.
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You are correct. The irrationals are a subset of the reals, and i is not a real number.
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i is NOT an irrational number. Imaginary numbers and real numbers exist side by side, the only difference between them being that the imaginary number is a real number being multiplied with i.
Not exactly. To begin, you should use the term "complex number" rather than "imaginary number" as the latter is anachronistic mostly because it is misleading (ain't nothing imaginary about them). Also the set of complex numbers contains as a subset the set of real numbers. In other words, real numbers are indeed complex numbers (and consequently, irrational numbers are also complex).
For each and every real number there exists an imaginary number and vice versa. And then there are the complex numbers, which consist of a sum of a real number and an imaginary number. A complex number has the form a + b*i, with a and b being real numbers.
See my comment above.
Interestingly complex numbers can be displayed in a coordinate system, with the real part of the number being the x-coordinate and the imaginary part the y-coordinate (this correlation is arbitrary, by the way, and could as well have been chosen the other way round). (2;3), for example, would mean the complex number 2 + 3*i. Instead of giving the Cartesian coordinates it is often very useful to give the polar coordinates of an imaginary number, which show the distance from the center of the coordinate system and the angle to a certain ray (usually given in radians) when dealing with complex numbers, especially when using roots.
In fact, the complex numbers are isomorphic to the plane (unioned with "infiinity").
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 09:58 |
Good to see a real mathematician hanging out here...I'm just a simple electrical engineer who once had aspirations at taking real analysis.
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WinterLight
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 10:21 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Good to see a real mathematician hanging out here...I'm just a simple electrical engineer who once had aspirations at taking real analysis.
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I've never cared much for analysis as I simply don't have the intuition for it. My interests are in the foundational aspects of math (set theory, logic, etc.). To my understanding, though, electrical engineers are generally perceived as the most "mathematical" of engineers since they use some fairly sophisticated techniques.
Edited by WinterLight - July 01 2008 at 10:24
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 10:30 |
WinterLight wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
NaturalScience wrote:
moreitsythanyou wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Georg Cantor is definitely missing on the list. Bertrand Russel should be on the list too, in my opinion.
Absolutely agreed. Without Cantor, we may not have had the motivation for set theory. However, Russell's work is generally perceived as important historically only. (Also realize that many mathematicians don't think highly of logicians--it's childish, I admit, but it's quite true.) I would also add Hilbert, Godel, Tarski, and Erdos to this list.
By the way, Einstein is better known for his contributions to physics, but he had to invent a great part of the mathematics needed for his General Theory of Relativity himself.
Einstein (as well as Newton and Euclid) really don't deserve a spot anywhere on a list of great mathematicians: he didn't "invent" any of the mathematics involved in general relativity (that stuff--differential geometry and tensor analysis--was well known and had already been applied in other areas of physics like fluid dynamics and electromagnetic field theory).
I must admit though that the beauty of e i *pi + 1 = 0 has never ceased to amaze me. The 5 most important numbers in the world combined into one formula, two of them being irrational, two others the most basic numbers in the world (and the neutral elements of addtion and multiplication), and one the square root of -1.
I think you mean "identity" rather than "neutral elements."
Forgive my mistake; it is a linguistic one and not a mathematical one. In German the "identity element" of a mathematical operation is called "neutrales Element".
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Actually, three of them are irrational. i cannot be expressed as the quotient of two integers.
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Doesn't a number have to be real in order to be considered irrational, though? not sure myself.
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You are correct. The irrationals are a subset of the reals, and i is not a real number.
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i is NOT an irrational number. Imaginary numbers and real numbers exist side by side, the only difference between them being that the imaginary number is a real number being multiplied with i.
Not exactly. To begin, you should use the term "complex number" rather than "imaginary number" as the latter is anachronistic mostly because it is misleading (ain't nothing imaginary about them). Also the set of complex numbers contains as a subset the set of real numbers. In other words, real numbers are indeed complex numbers (and consequently, irrational numbers are also complex).
A complex number without a real component is still called an imaginary number; there is nothing anachronistic about that. So my definition is absolutely correct. And I still think the name "imaginary" is absolutely fitting for them. While we can with some problems understand what "zero" means (don't forget it took mathematicians centuries before they came up with that concept; "natura abhorret vacuum" was a belief even long after the number zero was discovered ) and with even more problems what negative numbers are (we can think of them in terms of "debts"), there is nothing in our everyday world to which imaginary or complex numbers would apply, so the term "imaginary" is quite fitting. And please let's not start a discussion about the meaning of "fathom" again . I can perfectly live with imaginary and complex numbers; I first discovered them when I was ten years old and was fascinated by them and derived many of the laws about them, including the trigonometric representation of them. I was a child prodigy in math.
For each and every real number there exists an imaginary number and vice versa. And then there are the complex numbers, which consist of a sum of a real number and an imaginary number. A complex number has the form a + b*i, with a and b being real numbers.
See my comment above.
See my comment above.
Interestingly complex numbers can be displayed in a coordinate system, with the real part of the number being the x-coordinate and the imaginary part the y-coordinate (this correlation is arbitrary, by the way, and could as well have been chosen the other way round). (2;3), for example, would mean the complex number 2 + 3*i. Instead of giving the Cartesian coordinates it is often very useful to give the polar coordinates of an imaginary number, which show the distance from the center of the coordinate system and the angle to a certain ray (usually given in radians) when dealing with complex numbers, especially when using roots.
In fact, the complex numbers are isomorphic to the plane (unioned with "infiinity").
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Edited by BaldFriede - July 01 2008 at 10:51
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WinterLight
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 10:42 |
BaldFriede wrote:
i is NOT an irrational number. Imaginary numbers and real numbers exist side by side, the only difference between them being that the imaginary number is a real number being multiplied with i.
Not exactly. To begin, you should use the term "complex number" rather than "imaginary number" as the latter is anachronistic mostly because it is misleading (ain't nothing imaginary about them). Also the set of complex numbers contains as a subset the set of real numbers. In other words, real numbers are indeed complex numbers (and consequently, irrational numbers are also complex).
A complex number without a real component is still called an imaginary number; there is nothing anachronistic about that. So my definition is absolutely correct. I did not mention complex numbers at all to avoid complications.
Your definition is absolutely correct, I agree, but it still uses unfortunate, albeit conventional, language. It is horrible, in my opinion, that the term "imaginary" is used in textbooks in any way at all--it should be scraped completely. But I'm not gonna get into another argument over semantics with you.
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Posted: July 01 2008 at 10:53 |
WinterLight wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
i is NOT an irrational number. Imaginary numbers and real numbers exist side by side, the only difference between them being that the imaginary number is a real number being multiplied with i.
Not exactly. To begin, you should use the term "complex number" rather than "imaginary number" as the latter is anachronistic mostly because it is misleading (ain't nothing imaginary about them). Also the set of complex numbers contains as a subset the set of real numbers. In other words, real numbers are indeed complex numbers (and consequently, irrational numbers are also complex).
A complex number without a real component is still called an imaginary number; there is nothing anachronistic about that. So my definition is absolutely correct. I did not mention complex numbers at all to avoid complications.
Your definition is absolutely correct, I agree, but it still uses unfortunate, albeit conventional, language. It is horrible, in my opinion, that the term "imaginary" is used in textbooks in any way at all--it should be scraped completely. But I'm not gonna get into another argument over semantics with you.
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See my slightly extended post.
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