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Poll Question: Are both the Dems and the Reps necessary?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2008 at 21:18

Pluralism may not be that bad, but I was just making the point point that it could be much, much worse than our current system. I don't closely follow Italian politics either (and I'm sure GR will yell at me), but everything I've seen has shown that the Italian government is in a state of near chaos because of all the infighting parties constantly changing power and alliances.

No, Independants mean that people are not willing to closely affiliate with either party because they are centrist or just don't like them. If people really wanted something very different, Ron Paul would have won, or some hardcore socialist would have arisen. They have not; therefore, I must conclude that the major parties more or less represent the political will of the American people, barring a few disagreements that everyone must have with a system of compromise. A pluralistic system would remove that within the party compromise, but people would still have to compromise to get anything done.

The GOP base is fracturing (see: Rush Limbaugh, Dr. Dobson, and Ann Coulter vs. McCain), and you can't have a party if you don't have any people. The Whigs (I think) disappeared and were replaced by the Republicans, and the same could happen again. The Democrats would only have a major problem if the Superdelegates overturned a popular vote win by Obama, because Obamanation would be really pissed and possibly leave ala Nader in 2000.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2008 at 03:02
I always thought Dr. Dobson meant well, just his head was off in the weeds somewhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2008 at 21:05
hmmm

one party state = totalitarian dictatorship ... evil
two party state ,,, freedom, truth & liberty
multi-party state .... chaotic evil mess...

makes pefect sense

christian fundamentalism = ok
any other form of religious fundamentalim  = evil fanaticism

makes perfect sense
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2008 at 22:40
any other form of religious fundamentalim  = evil fanaticism

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 05:03
Just to make things clear (without yelling at anybody): Italy is NOT in a state of chaos because there are a lot of parties, but because Italians as a whole seem to be unable to see beyond their own individual interests  - which makes them unable to get along with each other. I lived almost six years in Finland, where there were quite a few parties, and the situation was nowhere as bad as it is in my own country. Personally, I am not in favour of having dozens of parties, but I don't think having just two is necessarily the answer. The problem is not just related to quantity, to the quality of the offer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:34
I am very grateful for the two-party system. It keeps things from moving too quickly in one direction, because there will usually be a balance. For instance, in my home state of North Carolina, we have a Democratic governor, state senate, and a few more Democratic national representatives. However, we voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and both of our national senators are Republican. This keeps things from lurching around or radicalizing. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 00:35
You can't have a show for the public unless you have at least two puppets er I mean parties Wink
Most people think we live in a democratic society, ummm...ok LOL and do you all realize that the US presidency has been in control by all but two families since 1989 (Bush, Clinton) and before that George H.W. Bush was the vice president for Reagan (1981-1988).
 
The bigger the lie the better the show.......ha ha ha
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 02:22
Unless you have some actual evidence of widespread electoral fraud, don't say such dumb things.
 
20 years isn't that long with 4 year terms, and dynasties make perfect sense without asinine conspiracies. Once you've already been in power, it's much easier to mobilize the political machines to work in your favor, and among the voters, name recognition is one of the primary reasons people choose a candidate. Because some people are just dumb.
 
You say that it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?, but it's a stupid thing to say once you think about how it's actually fairly likely that someone's son would make a go after his father has been President, and only for one term, and that most presidents have served 2 terms, removing the suspicions around Clinton's and Bush's second term. They have definately played dirty politics, and part of it was being lucky enough to face lame opponents who hamstrung their own campaigns, but you're being insane. There's a difference between questioning and looking for Illuminati thermite charges on the WTC.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 04:02
Originally posted by Salvo_ Salvo_ wrote:

Unless you have some actual evidence of widespread electoral fraud, don't say such dumb things.
 
20 years isn't that long with 4 year terms, and dynasties make perfect sense without asinine conspiracies. Once you've already been in power, it's much easier to mobilize the political machines to work in your favor, and among the voters, name recognition is one of the primary reasons people choose a candidate. Because some people are just dumb.
 
You say that it's quite a coincidence, isn't it?, but it's a stupid thing to say once you think about how it's actually fairly likely that someone's son would make a go after his father has been President, and only for one term, and that most presidents have served 2 terms, removing the suspicions around Clinton's and Bush's second term. They have definately played dirty politics, and part of it was being lucky enough to face lame opponents who hamstrung their own campaigns, but you're being insane. There's a difference between questioning and looking for Illuminati thermite charges on the WTC.
 
It's ok, never mind, forget I said anything, go back to sleep.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 09:04
Calling your opponents ignorant and  apathetic is not a good way to debate, only a good way to look like a patronizing jerk.
 
Give me some evidence, or stop spewing your insanity. I have given you concrete reasons for the events you have observed, you have given me wild unfounded assertions.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 10:13
Screw the political parties.  Let's just party.  Whoohoo!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 11:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 14:48
You can't possibly be suggesting that we party like a bunch of commies?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 01:43
The Communist Party is the best party! ;-)
 
Sacred, I'm still waiting for your evidence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 05:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 11:51
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

You can't possibly be suggesting that we party like a bunch of commies?
Duuuude, Chairman Mao sure knew how to throw a rave!
 
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