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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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great minds think alike...."Goliath" is the standout track for me so far. In general, I think this was a rather strong effort from the Mars Volta this time, and I'm very pleased I picked up this record. I think it's their best since the debut. |
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DJPuffyLemon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2008 Location: L Status: Offline Points: 520 |
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The problem with an all acoustic MV album is going to be that either A) its going to all be like Asilos Magdalena...which wasn't a bad song but it was a weak track on Amputechture. or B) its going to be too simple and plain. If they make a spanish sounding album along the lines of Al DIMeola then that would actually be interesting with a MV edge, however that's hopeful, and even an entire album like that would suck. They will have to make this a shorter album (like 40minutes) for it to evern be listenable. That's my first impression just from hearing the concept, I would have had more faith in them before they released Amputechture.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Or that.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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For the record, after listening to TMV's other works, I do believe they are talented musicians. I just happen to hate their latest effort. But as far as doing something different goes, I absolutely agree with you on that.
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ProgBagel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2819 |
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Or give each one its individuality.
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ProgBagel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2819 |
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It wasn't really pointed at you at all but others I've seen on this forum. It makes me feel the people here are anti-progression, wanting the same stuff and feel the need to compare albums rather then just putting the album into its own accord.
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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LOL. Like I said, I haven't really had time to do more than sample it. But so far, I wouldn't compare this to the rift between Discipline and ITCOTCK. When I've heard it enough to be confident of reviewing it, I will, but right now I haven't even got to the finish line yet.
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ProgBagel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: May 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2819 |
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I don't really like the previous 11 King Crimson albums because they don't really anything like what they were trying to do with 'In the Court...' and 'In the Wake...'.
I hope you can sense the sarca...... |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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I haven't really had time to do more than sample the first half of Bedlam, but that very cursory listening has left me with the impression that much of the imagination and innovation that was present on De-loused has vanished. I hope the second half is better.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65603 |
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^ fabulous write-up
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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Great review Raffaella... here have some clappies.. been too long since I've given you some hahhaahahaha
![]() ![]() THE MARS VOLTA
![]() [Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator] Posted 1:46:18 PM EST, 2/16/2008 ![]() The Mars Volta are the legitimate heirs of everything we love about classic prog. They have got excess down to a fine art, with their esoteric song titles and stream-of-consciousness lyrics, their exotic, colourful artwork, the potpourri of diverse influences that characterises their music. They are brash, noisy, chaotic, puzzling, even annoying, but rarely elicit reactions of complete indifference. They are also probably the most authentically progressive of the modern bands, who are not afraid to use shock tactics in their compositional approach. However, they should learn how to harness their creative impulses, as well as the virtues of restraint. It is indeed the lack of the aforementioned restraint that seems to have put some people off, and driven them to express very negative views of this record. TMV have gone for the throat here, throwing anything but the proverbial kitchen sink into the almost eighty minutes of the album, forgetting that sometimes less is more. For starters, the album is too long - but, unlike Frances the Mute, it lacks the moments of relative respite provided by the 'noises'. What we have here is 77 solid minutes of music, conducted at a consistently brisk, often frantic pace. It is a wonder how the band manage to sustain such high energy levels without getting tired - because, after a while, the average listener does. The twelve tracks merge into each other to the extent that it becomes difficult to distinguish between them without resorting to the lyrics. And then, those who are not too keen on Cedric's vocals are definitely out of luck here, because the sung parts overwhelm the instrumental ones. That said, "The Bedlam in Goliath" does have moments of brilliance which remind us of the band's potential for greatness. The quality of the performances is consistently high, and new drummer Thomas Pridgen is probably the real star of the show. As good as Jon Theodore was, this is a real wizard of the skins, perfectly complemented by Juan Alderete's deft, funky bass lines. Cedric, who gets the lion's share here, proves that he can handle different vocal styles, and is definitely growing into a force to be reckoned with. And then there is Omar, the band's mastermind, an unlikely sort of guitar hero who shuns histrionics and ego-trips in order to hold the fabric of the music together. From a purely musical point of view, TMV are very much an ensemble, a mini-orchestra that Omar conducts according to his vision, producing a sound that is nevertheless very much a team effort. Unlike their three previous albums, TBiG starts with a bang - opener "Aberinkula" hits the listener squarely in the face and never lets up, with Cedric's hysterical wailing and Omar's manic guitar work bolstered by Pridgen's insane drumming. "Ilyena" is a funky mid-tempo that, while not really sounding like anything like "The Widow" or "Televators", plays the role of the obligatory slow track. To these ears, "Goliath" is one of the best TMV compositions ever, full of wild time signature shifts, deranged drumming patterns and Cedric's snarling vocals - as well as distinctly audible keyboards. Other highlights are the lazy, groovy "Agadez", which is somehow reminiscent of Living Colour's take on funk-metal; the salsa-meets-Middle Eastern, violin-enhanced ride that is "Soothsayer"; and the jagged, psychedelic metal of "Ouroboros". Other tracks are not as memorable or successful, notably the patchy, overlong "Cavalettas" - while I find the single "Wax Simulacra" rather nondescript, and "Tourniquet Man" quite disposable. On the other hand, album closer "Conjugal Burns", though otherwise quite intriguing, would have benefited from being a tad shorter. It could easily be said that, even more so than the band's previous albums, TBiG is something of an acquired taste. As we say in Italy, they have put a bit too much meat on the fire... However, TMV are still at the beginning of their career, and I am quite positive they are headed towards their full maturity. As to now, they are still in a kind of experimental mode - and, as we all know, experiments are not always completely successful. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I have been playing TBiG regularly since I bought it over two weeks ago, and, while I'd never say it is the band's masterpiece, I consider it a very good, progressive album which will probably grow more and more on me with each listen. Therefore I will give it a four-star rating, though not without a word of caution. If you are new to the band, try listening to "De-loused..." first. |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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I actually share your point of view. De-loused... still remains the benchmark by which all TMV albums will be measured, and its power is to this day undiminished. TBiG is an excellent album indeed, but it does have flaws that have provoked some very negative reactions from numerous listeners. One thing is sure... it's definitely NOT a good introduction to the band. I am quite sure they'll change their approach in future releases, though. |
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Gentlegiantprog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 31 2008 Location: Stafford Status: Offline Points: 238 |
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I love Bedlam, but also, Comatorium makes everything else look silly. Also Wax Simulacra was a poor choice of single, I recon 'Goliath,' would make them more money.
Do you ever get the thing when you love all the mars volta albums equally and then you listen to comatorium and think, hmmm maybe album x aint actually so great or album y is good but too crazy compared to this ? |
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The Wizard ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
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I think I changed my mind. I listened to Deloused in the Chromatorium in the car then came and listened to Bedlam in Goliath. After hearing Deloused I realized how much better they used to be. Their new album pretty much sucks in comparison, the more I think about it the more dissapointed I am in them. |
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heyitsthatguy ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
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if the acoustic album idea is true then it feels like what Opeth did- making two albums of the opposite sides of their dynamic. The problem is that these opposing sides juxtaposed are what add contrast and interest to the movie- hence, while both Damnation and Deliverance are good, they're not the best in their discography. Same goes for this I suppose, I love the album, but I wish they had used more dynamic contrast
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The Wizard ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
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I think it's a good album, but it's probably their worst album so far. They're one of those bands that's best when they build up the crazy sh*t and then release into the more spacey and chill stuff. Sometimes I feel like it's an exercise album for the drummer, I wouldn't be suprised if his arms ever flew out of his sockets during recording.
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Visitor13 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
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Oooh, I'm gonna love this... |
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Sckxyss ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 05 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1319 |
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If their so-called acoustic album is acoustic like Asilos Magdalena, then
![]() And I've decided I agree with Ghost Rider: my only problem with this album is its length. The tracks themselves are all good though, except maybe Tourniquet Man.
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Evans ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2006 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3004 |
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![]() 'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
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laplace ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
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I wonder how they'll add fifteen minutes of noise to that one? =) *still hopeful* |
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