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jimmy_row
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:41 | |||
it's time for me to review something Italian too...damn it's time for me to review something in general. I've been listening to Uomo di Pezza this week, I'll take a stab if you take a shot at Delirium, deal?
*hoping that I don't have to do it
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:45 | |||
God I love Uomo di Pezza... would love to see you take a stab at it. |
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:50 | |||
hahahha.. . after you rip my copy of YS from my cold hard dead hands |
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jimmy_row
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:54 | |||
like they say, you can't love 'em all...I'll have to give it another chance before I throw it in the fire, if I could just come around to it then I'd honestly say there isn't an Italian album I've heard that I didn't like.
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:54 | |||
I would love to see it.. I especially like reading Andrea P's reviews for his literal translations of what is going on. It does make reviewing album for me a bit more difficult which is why I have really not kicked my reviews into high gear. The lyrics have never been important to me.. but I know that I am in the minority on that and have felt my reviews were sort of ... not worthless perhaps.. but incomplete in comparison to others which made me a bit hesistant to really get on with reviewing that stuff. |
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:57 | |||
honestly.. LDF is the only group that I couldn't get into.. it just didn't click.. .but the rest.. ... have enjoyed them ALL. I'm due to give Locanda della Fate another chance though.. probably haven't listened to that album in a year or so. |
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jimmy_row
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 15:04 | |||
Well, you have to remember that most of the people reading your reviews - like yourself - don't care so much about the lyrics, so describing the music is good enough. Just look at James and Memowakeman's reviews of RPI albums: don't worry so much about what's going on thematically but they still do a great job. the important thing is to have a personal style that can be identified without even looking at the name. I do see where you're coming from, it's probably a big reason why I avoid reviewing aside from time constraints - there doesn't seem to be anything I can add sometimes.
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:36 | |||
did drop Nostos down a star..so don't hurt me Ryan Not for the album which I gave 5 personal stars. As much as I liked it though...it is a stretch to call it an essential album on the par with others in the genre. It is one thing to blaze the trail. .another ot follow it. Subject to change later of course.
Also did Sulle Corde di Aries it's 5 star earlier this week after some of the reactions of those who have been exposed to the album around here. It is very different from what was going on in Italy at that time.. and I think illustrates the fact that all these bands were not all doing pale English imitations were were blazing their own trail. It also helped that across the internet have seen a very high degree of regard given the album so bumped it up to essential |
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 20:30 | |||
ooohhhh.... have heard a later live version on the Giubbe Rosse live album but nice to see it performed. A truncated... sparser arrangement of Sequenze e Frequenze. Here's a youtube clip from 1981. Sort of lacks the spiritual and hypnotic power of the last 10 minutes that made the album track so powerful. Pio's violin though is a nice touch though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQdHkDnTxY |
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 02:33 | |||
OK, I'll try to come up with my best attempt at explaining pronunciation without resorting to phonetic symbols (I'm a former language teacher after all!). It would go something like BAH-T-TEEH-AH-TOH. Hope it's clear enough! Just remember than in Italian double consonants are pronounced as double - that means that both those T's have to be heard.
I saw Battiato live in the early Eighties. Though at first I wasn't very keen on going, the concert really floored me. He is a great musician for sure, and I like his singing style a lot. He performed in Rome last July, but unfortunately Micky and I were already in the US by then. In early July he had also performed in Venice together with Peter Gabriel - it must've been a hell of a concert to witness! |
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 08:33 | |||
Oh what a special album this is to me.. most likely surpassed in quality perhaps by Delirium III but
still one of my favorite albums from the RPI movement. One with a great deal of personal attachment
due to a very special person in my life. One of early classics of Italian prog released before the
great wave of PFM, Banco, and a great wave of others came in 1972. Delirium was formed in 1970 from
the ashes of the beat group Sagitari. They first made an impression on the musical scene at the
first avant-guarde festival of Viareggio in 1971. Later that year they recorded their first album,
Dolce Acqua which became one the big 4 Italian rock albums of the year. Along with The New Trolls
Concerto Grosso, Le Orme's Collage, and Osanna's L'Uomo. On a seperate note it is interesting to
note the wide musical differences between those albums but that is for another time. Unfortunately
as a quick check of the Italian album charts for that year will show. Dolce Acqua was the only one
of those albums not to crack the top 10. In fact.. Dolce Acqua less commercially less successful
than Osibisa in Italy hahha. However ask those.. like Raffaella that DID hear the album as a
beautiful young lady and what they thought of it. It was a album that stuck to you and made an
immediate impression. Commercial success for Delirium would come a year later and that would come
with significant changes for the group but that is for later reviews.
Dolce Acqua is typical RPI faire in it's wonderfully eclectic mix of the Italian symphonic tradition with jazz, folk and catchy pop melodies. The star of this album is Ivano Fossati whose....rather distinctive voice is really the thing that sets this album apart. Fossati in addition to his VERY distinctive voice was a very competent flute player and was given a great deal of space on this album. As such.. with any prog group it seems that has the flute in the forefront, that has often lent to frequent Jethro Tull comparisons. Personally I don't see that at all. The flute is common of course.. actually listening to the album and the influences simmering and then served up on the album should take care of that misconception about similarity to Tull. Tull especially at this time was rooted in Blues and English Folk.. find that on this album and I'll give you my copy of the album for free. The album kicks off with Preludio (Paura) with Fossati's airy flute giving way to a vocal given and take with Fossati and Di Martino. A soft sensual opening track that sets up up for the next song the incredible Movimeto I (Egoismo) which explodes with Fossati's manic flute playing with an upbeat and danceable tempo. I dare you to listen to this song with out being to keep your body still. The piano solo on this is one of favorite moments on the album.. a sprited jazzy excursion that is so full of life and passion you really have to be cold not to feel the music deep within you and let it take hold of you. Movimento II follows with a delicate flute melody with nice classical flourishes especially as the song closes. A nice sedate counterpoint to the frantic and upbeat tone of Movimento I. The long winded 'To Satchmo, Bird and Other Unforgettable Friends (Dolore)' follows a nice piano intro with a journey into a jazz anchored by Fossati's flute and pianist Ettore Vigo. Not a particularly original piece of music perhaps.. but it simply sounds good and again provides dynamic contrasts between the other styles Delirium was putting into the pot on this album. Sequenza I e II follows next and is one of my favorites on this with another melody that just grabs you and won't let go. A nice bouncy melody carried by the acoustic guitar and piano which Fossati dances over joined by the group singing wordlessly with the melody. Johnnie Sayre (Il perdono) is a vocal showcase for Fossati in the first half of the song before the acoustic guitar kicks in and takes us down a folk path with drums panning across the stereo speaker with chatting voices in the background before returning to the comforting sound of Fossati's voice to bring things to a conclusion. Favola o storia del Lago di Kriss (Libertà) has again Fossati's voice.. almost descending to warbling but never quite reaching that threshold. A rather plain folkish song that really didn't have any highlights to me other than the nice string interludes. Weakest on the album. Dolce acqua (Speranza) follows with a great and memorable flute melody a warm inviting piece of music with wonderful piano and string sections. I can best describe it as very classy and refined. An elegant piece of music I guess you would say. Very touching. The album closes with the song that would later break the group apart I guess you could say.. Jesahel which would be released later in 1972 as a single and bring the group the fame that escaped them with this album. Not much to the song for me... Jesahel being being a chorus of sorts that is repeated throughout the song. Pretty much a pop song. Again... foretelling the end of Fossati's time in Delirium. For the album. Hard one to rank. Personally as much I adore Fossati and his voice.. Delirium would hit their apex with Delirium III and was simply a better album than this one. However Italian prog. .and prog in general is filled with great albums that simply are not 'essential' listens. Lord knows I have reviewed more than a few. Conversely you will have albums that are not letter perfect that ARE essential. This album is one of them. Want to understand in an early album what the phenomenon of Rock Progressivo Italiano is ..and why it is unique among the branches of prog. This album is one of the early example of what why it was. I mentioned 3 other albums earlier that came out in the same year. The derivative tag can be fairly.. maybe not accurately.. but with some justification be put on each of those 3 early albums. This one though.. the potent mix of Italian symphonic, jazz, folk, and pop music was what would foretell the real heights of Italian prog in the 70's. As creators of their own sound.. not merely English imitators. For the site 5 stars. For myself .. as I noted. I think Delirium III is a better album even without Fossati but that doesn't mean I don't take great pleasure from this album and some of the moments on this album are simply magic. 4 stars for me. Dedicated to that very special woman in my life. I can just picture you listening to this back in those incredible days. Michael (aka Micky) Posted Thursday, February 14, 2008 | Review Permalink "Dolce acqua" ("Sweet Water" in English, and also the name of a town in the band's native region of Liguria) was released in 1971, after the band had won a couple of prestigious musical awards. Even as young as I was, I still remember the original liner notes, written by a well-known music journalist, where Delirium were compared to the likes of Colosseum and Blood, Sweat & Tears. I knew practically nothing of either band, but I understood that Delirium were trying to do something that went beyond that Italian musical tradition which I had always loathed. Everything about them felt different... The colourful artwork, hippyish look and intriguing song titles, their use of instruments that sounded so exotic to a naive, pre-teen girl. When I finally got the album and gave it the first spin, I was not disappointed. It was the beginning of my love affair with progressive rock - first the Italian variety, then, a few years later, the big English groups. Fast forward some 35 years... After what felt like a lifetime, I got the chance to listen to "Dolce acqua" again. In the spring of 2007, my youth was well behind me, and the album I had never really forgotten resurfaced in my life again, when the man of my dreams, whom I had met by a mere chance thanks to our mutual love of prog rock, finally got hold of a copy of the album. We were both astonished at how good it sounded... still, after all those years. Listening to it with the ears of an adult person, I was swept back to that time in my life when I realised my musical tastes were never going to be conventional. Though "Dolce acqua" may not be as musically or lyrically accomplished as Delirium's undisputed masterpiece, their third album, it is one of the best debuts in prog - a true rough diamond, unpolished yet full of emotional impact. Since the preceding reviewers have perfectly illustrated the musical content of the album, I'll skip a track-by-track analysis. As others have pointed out, "Dolce acqua" combines such diverse influences as jazz, blues and prog with more mainstream sensibilities. However, Delirium's overall sound is light years away from the definitely more melodic approach of historic Italian bands such as Dik Dik or I Pooh. There are no love songs on the album, which was in itself a groundbreaking event in the country where 'love' rhymes with 'heart'. The songs are instead structured as a suite in eight movements, each of them dedicated to a particular feeling or emotion - interestingly, love not is not included. One of the tracks, "Johnnie Sayre", contains the almost obligatory homage to an American poet who had become a cult item in the Italy of the late Sixties and early Seventies, Edgar Lee Masters of "Spoon River Anthology" fame (legendary singer-songwriter Fabrizio De André, hailing, like Delirium and Christopher Columbus, from the harbour city of Genoa, had also dedicated one of his first albums to "Spoon River"). Incidentally, "Jesahel" did not feature on the original version on the album, since at the time it had only been released as a single. Ivano Fossati's low, dark, intensely expressive voice is probably the most noteworthy element of Dolce acqua, together with his flute playing, in turns melodic and aggressive, perhaps not highly technical, but essential to the texture of the music. His vocals shine throughout the album, wistful and almost plaintive in the acoustic intro "Preludio", forceful in "Movimento I (Egoismo)", sad and mournful in "Johnnie Sayre", warm and richly emotional in the title-track. The overall sound of the album veers more towards the acoustic than the electric, which anchors it to the Italian tradition without detracting from its aspirations to be something different. Though "Dolce acqua" has been called naive and amateurish by some, it does possess an endearing quality which makes it worthwhile even to ears accustomed to more sophisticated fare. The band had indeed potential in spades: unfortunately, though, they never became as successful as some of their contemporaries did, and split in 1974 - only to reform in 2007 for an excellent live album. As to Fossati, after leaving Delirium he embarked on a successful career as a singer-songwriter. Though I have a lot of respect for what he's been doing ever since, I can't help regretting that he didn't stick to prog - in my opinion, he had the potential to become one of the best vocalists of the Seventies, bar none. In spite of my sentimental attachment to the album, I will hold the fifth star because it can't really be considered a masterpiece in the way, for instance, "Darwin" or "Storia di un minuto" are. However, I would recommend it very highly to everyone interested in exploring some of the lesser-known facets of RPI - as well as hearing some great, soulful, unconventional singing. On a more personal note, it is very likely that, without this album, I would have never got into prog, and therefore never met the man who has changed my life completely. Because of this, "Dolce acqua" will always hold a special place in my heart.Two fine reviews that for some reason......belong together........ |
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micky
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 08:40 | |||
they do don't they?... thanks James
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Raff
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 09:34 | |||
Thank you, James.. That was very sweet of you!
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micky
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Posted: February 17 2008 at 10:41 | |||
ahhhh.. this deserves a shout out.... great review Angelo
I PENNELLI DI VERMEER
Review | Album details | All reviews | Buy Music Review by Angelo (Angelo) [Admin Group Site Admin & Moderator/Unsigned Bands] Posted 7:15:39 AM EST, 2/17/2008 Ladies and gentlemen, the progressive ska theater is coming to a theater near you! Recorded in 2006, released in 2007 this EP is a landmark in the modern Italian prog scene - at least from where I'm standing. Everything has been done before in prog? I don't think so, and Pennelli di Vermeer agree with me. You can mix rock with classical music, and Rush for example included some reggae influences in their music around 1980, so why not put in a bit of ska, opera and theater influences? The Pennelli members guide us through their musical world on this EP, starting with the opening track Sulla mia Scriviania. This is a short track, opening with the kind of singing you would expect in a theater/musical performance. The electronic bass that follows would in other cases make me turn of the music, but here it develops into a ska like rhythm that catches you, without becoming as poppy as 80s ska-devils Madness. After this, Onde is a more rocky track, with a more explicit role for the guitar, but also a clavinet like keyboard sound. Again, the vocals are almost musical like, interleaved with great instrumental trips. The end of the track is an operetta like 'lalalala' chorus, demonstrating the vocal range of the bands vocalist(s) Pasquale and Marco Sorrentino. La pipa operaia again opens as a clean rock track, but quickly changes to a bass and keys driven tango, accompanying once again well done theatrical vocals. Surprisingly, the instrumental mid section of this almost four minute track comes close to the level of bombast of ELP. Aldiladelladilà with it's disco/dance like intro, is easily the most eclectic among the five tracks. After the intor it quickly slows down into an acoustic guitar and piano piece on top of which the vocals put a layer of complaint. The first verse is followed by a nice instrumental break that combines hints of old Genesis with bluesy guitar riffs and then gives way again to an symphonic second verse, develops into an Arabic like instrumental tune, followed by a Cossack chorus and then travelling back to the Arab world. After this, we are guided to the halls of la Princesa - where the chamber master opens with a megaphone effect vocal. The tune develops into keyboard driven, almost fully electronic track, with a nice background rhythm driven by bass and drums - and it ends with a nice, short guitar solo. The video track La pipa operaia included on the CD confirms the tango influences in this song - a couple of tango dancers lead the way, accompanied by the band, an old man singing and a crowd dancing to the bombastic mid section. All in all, a quite different experience from what I've heard in the past year, and definitely a band with it's own unique, definitely eclectic sound. To be checked out and enjoyed with an open mind. |
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Posted: February 17 2008 at 21:57 | |||
Our beloved Teo has lost his Italian virginity. And while he's not completely convinced yet, we will eventually get to him. Resistance is futile bro.
Nice work man PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI — Per Un Amico Review by The T (TGTR) Special Collaborator Progressive Metal Specialist
My first encounter with this legendary band (and genre) from Italy, it has been very satisfactory, if not
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