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    Posted: February 21 2008 at 21:52
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Well, just to show how different each of us are, I don't really care too much for "Wax Simulacra", while there are other tracks that I love ("Goliath" being my favourite so far). That said, I can understand why so many people where underwhelmed by TBiG... It is anything but an accessible album, and it will take repeated listens to really appreciate it. 


great minds think alike...."Goliath" is the standout track for me so far.

In general, I think this was a rather strong effort from the Mars Volta this time, and I'm very pleased I picked up this record.  I think it's their best since the debut.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2008 at 17:45
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

If their so-called acoustic album is acoustic like Asilos Magdalena, then Dead
 
And I've decided I agree with Ghost Rider: my only problem with this album is its length. The tracks themselves are all good though, except maybe Tourniquet Man.
I like Tourniquet Man. Its actually my favorite track.
 
 
The problem with an all acoustic MV album is going to be that either A) its going to all be like Asilos Magdalena...which wasn't a bad song but it was a weak track on Amputechture. or B) its going to be too simple and plain. If they make a spanish sounding album along the lines of Al DIMeola then that would actually be interesting with a MV edge, however that's hopeful, and even an entire album like that would suck. They will have to make this a shorter album (like 40minutes) for it to evern be listenable. That's my first impression just from hearing the concept, I would have had more faith in them before they released Amputechture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 01:18
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Or give each one its individuality.
 
Or that.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 01:17
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

It wasn't really pointed at you at all but others I've seen on this forum. It makes me feel the people here are anti-progression, wanting the same stuff and feel the need to compare albums rather then just putting the album into its own accord.
I hope you weren't talking about me, because I am all for progression and doing things differently each album. I just happen to absolutely loath what TMV did on this album. It doesn't mean I think a band should stay stagnant.
 
For the record, after listening to TMV's other works, I do believe they are talented musicians. I just happen to hate their latest effort. But as far as doing something different goes, I absolutely agree with you on that. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 00:24
Or give each one its individuality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 00:24
It wasn't really pointed at you at all but others I've seen on this forum. It makes me feel the people here are anti-progression, wanting the same stuff and feel the need to compare albums rather then just putting the album into its own accord.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 00:20
LOL.  Like I said, I haven't really had time to do more than sample it.  But so far, I wouldn't compare this to the rift between Discipline and ITCOTCK.  When I've heard it enough to be confident of reviewing it, I will, but right now I haven't even got to the finish line yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2008 at 00:15
I don't really like the previous 11 King Crimson albums because they don't really anything like what they were trying to do with 'In the Court...' and 'In the Wake...'.

I hope you can sense the sarca......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2008 at 19:32
I haven't really had time to do more than sample the first half of Bedlam, but that very cursory listening has left me with the impression that much of the imagination and innovation that was present on De-loused has vanished.  I hope the second half is better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2008 at 15:05
 ^ fabulous write-up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:57
Great review Raffaella... here have some clappies.. been too long since I've given you some hahhaahahaha

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THE MARS VOLTA

The Bedlam In Goliath

2008

Studio Album

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Posted 1:46:18 PM EST, 2/16/2008

4%20stars The Puerto Rican terrorists are at it again, dividing the prog world with their fourth album, released at the beginning of 2008 after having been made partly available on the Internet. As the previous reviews and the two or three threads dedicated to it will attest, The Bedlam in Goliath seems to polarise opinions in a way TMV's other albums did not. And with good reason indeed... While the quality of the musical offer is undeniable, it must also be said that this is not a record that thrives on subtlety or ease of approach. Unlike "Frances the Mute" or "Amputechture", which had their share of quieter, more reflective moments, TBiG presents itself like a dense, almost impenetrable wall of sound that can be extremely daunting to a first-time listener.

The Mars Volta are the legitimate heirs of everything we love about classic prog. They have got excess down to a fine art, with their esoteric song titles and stream-of-consciousness lyrics, their exotic, colourful artwork, the potpourri of diverse influences that characterises their music. They are brash, noisy, chaotic, puzzling, even annoying, but rarely elicit reactions of complete indifference. They are also probably the most authentically progressive of the modern bands, who are not afraid to use shock tactics in their compositional approach. However, they should learn how to harness their creative impulses, as well as the virtues of restraint.

It is indeed the lack of the aforementioned restraint that seems to have put some people off, and driven them to express very negative views of this record. TMV have gone for the throat here, throwing anything but the proverbial kitchen sink into the almost eighty minutes of the album, forgetting that sometimes less is more. For starters, the album is too long - but, unlike Frances the Mute, it lacks the moments of relative respite provided by the 'noises'. What we have here is 77 solid minutes of music, conducted at a consistently brisk, often frantic pace. It is a wonder how the band manage to sustain such high energy levels without getting tired - because, after a while, the average listener does. The twelve tracks merge into each other to the extent that it becomes difficult to distinguish between them without resorting to the lyrics. And then, those who are not too keen on Cedric's vocals are definitely out of luck here, because the sung parts overwhelm the instrumental ones.

That said, "The Bedlam in Goliath" does have moments of brilliance which remind us of the band's potential for greatness. The quality of the performances is consistently high, and new drummer Thomas Pridgen is probably the real star of the show. As good as Jon Theodore was, this is a real wizard of the skins, perfectly complemented by Juan Alderete's deft, funky bass lines. Cedric, who gets the lion's share here, proves that he can handle different vocal styles, and is definitely growing into a force to be reckoned with. And then there is Omar, the band's mastermind, an unlikely sort of guitar hero who shuns histrionics and ego-trips in order to hold the fabric of the music together. From a purely musical point of view, TMV are very much an ensemble, a mini-orchestra that Omar conducts according to his vision, producing a sound that is nevertheless very much a team effort.

Unlike their three previous albums, TBiG starts with a bang - opener "Aberinkula" hits the listener squarely in the face and never lets up, with Cedric's hysterical wailing and Omar's manic guitar work bolstered by Pridgen's insane drumming. "Ilyena" is a funky mid-tempo that, while not really sounding like anything like "The Widow" or "Televators", plays the role of the obligatory slow track. To these ears, "Goliath" is one of the best TMV compositions ever, full of wild time signature shifts, deranged drumming patterns and Cedric's snarling vocals - as well as distinctly audible keyboards. Other highlights are the lazy, groovy "Agadez", which is somehow reminiscent of Living Colour's take on funk-metal; the salsa-meets-Middle Eastern, violin-enhanced ride that is "Soothsayer"; and the jagged, psychedelic metal of "Ouroboros". Other tracks are not as memorable or successful, notably the patchy, overlong "Cavalettas" - while I find the single "Wax Simulacra" rather nondescript, and "Tourniquet Man" quite disposable. On the other hand, album closer "Conjugal Burns", though otherwise quite intriguing, would have benefited from being a tad shorter.

It could easily be said that, even more so than the band's previous albums, TBiG is something of an acquired taste. As we say in Italy, they have put a bit too much meat on the fire... However, TMV are still at the beginning of their career, and I am quite positive they are headed towards their full maturity. As to now, they are still in a kind of experimental mode - and, as we all know, experiments are not always completely successful. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I have been playing TBiG regularly since I bought it over two weeks ago, and, while I'd never say it is the band's masterpiece, I consider it a very good, progressive album which will probably grow more and more on me with each listen. Therefore I will give it a four-star rating, though not without a word of caution. If you are new to the band, try listening to "De-loused..." first.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:48
Originally posted by Gentlegiantprog Gentlegiantprog wrote:

I love Bedlam, but also, Comatorium makes everything else look silly. Also Wax Simulacra was a poor choice of single, I recon 'Goliath,' would make them more money.

Do you ever get the thing when you love all the mars volta albums equally and then you listen to comatorium and think, hmmm maybe album x aint actually so great or album y is good but too crazy compared to this ?


I actually share your point of view. De-loused... still remains the benchmark by which all TMV albums will be measured, and its power is to this day undiminished. TBiG is an excellent album indeed, but it does have flaws that have provoked some very negative reactions from numerous listeners. One thing is sure... it's definitely NOT a good introduction to the band. I am quite sure they'll change their approach in future releases, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2008 at 10:56
I love Bedlam, but also, Comatorium makes everything else look silly. Also Wax Simulacra was a poor choice of single, I recon 'Goliath,' would make them more money.

Do you ever get the thing when you love all the mars volta albums equally and then you listen to comatorium and think, hmmm maybe album x aint actually so great or album y is good but too crazy compared to this ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 15:36

I think I changed my mind. I listened to Deloused in the Chromatorium in the car then came and listened to Bedlam in Goliath. After hearing Deloused I realized how much better they used to be. Their new album pretty much sucks in comparison, the more I think about it the more dissapointed I am in them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:00
if the acoustic album idea is true then it feels like what Opeth did- making two albums of the opposite sides of their dynamic. The problem is that these opposing sides juxtaposed are what add contrast and interest to the movie- hence, while both Damnation and Deliverance are good, they're not the best in their discography. Same goes for this I suppose, I love the album, but I wish they had used more dynamic contrast


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 10:06
I think it's a good album, but it's probably their worst album so far. They're one of those bands that's best when they build up the crazy sh*t and then release into the more spacey and chill stuff. Sometimes I feel like it's an exercise album for the drummer, I wouldn't be suprised if his arms ever flew out of his sockets during recording.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 09:54
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

it's just, well, frankly, too much.
 


Oooh, I'm gonna love this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2008 at 04:08
If their so-called acoustic album is acoustic like Asilos Magdalena, then Dead
 
And I've decided I agree with Ghost Rider: my only problem with this album is its length. The tracks themselves are all good though, except maybe Tourniquet Man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:53
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

/\ they've started their next album

they're calling it "their acoustic album"

I guess you're in luckLOL


I wonder how they'll add fifteen minutes of noise to that one? =) *still hopeful*
Agreed. Acoustic noise owns electrical noise.

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:39
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

/\ they've started their next album

they're calling it "their acoustic album"

I guess you're in luckLOL


I wonder how they'll add fifteen minutes of noise to that one? =) *still hopeful*
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