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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 06:25
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

A very intriguing aspect of this album are the song titles, which seem to have been taken from both mythology and fantasy literature (two things I'm very much into). "Metatron" is a character from Philip Pullman's The Amber Spyglass (which I've started reading very recently), "Ilyena" from Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series, "Ouroboros" from a novel by R.E. Eddison called The Worm Ouroboros. Then, "Goliath" comes from the Bible, and "Asklepios" is the Greek god of medicine. However, I'm still at a loss as to what "Aberinkula" means...
 
ABERINKULA

Several different types of drums have existed throughout the world, serving many different purposes in history; occasionally, natives from cultures which the drums originate, as in the case of the Yorùbá, used the drums for religious ceremonies and, since their introduction in Cuba in the 1820s, have come to be an understood and important part of the perceived culture of the southwestern Nigerian people.

The drum dates back roughly 500 years, and is believed to have been introduced by Yoruba king, Shangó. Despite the previous long history, awareness of the instrument didn't spread until the 1800s slave-trade in which close to 300,000 Yorùbá natives were brought to Cuba. The religion and beliefs the Yorùbá brought with them eventually became the basis for what is known as Lukumí (or Santería in Cuban). This religion spawned the creation of the first 'sacred' Batá in Cuba around 1830 by a Yorùbá named Añabi.

The Batá slowly became inducted into the Cuban culture after a time, and began to take on more secular uses: they were first publicly performed in 1935 in a broadcast over Cuban radio for purposes of folklore music. Uses such as this have grown as knowledge of the instrument has spread; more and more musicians not currently practicing Lukumí have used versions of the drums in recordings or performances. These 'non-sacred' Batá drums are called aberínkula--profane Batá (see Sacred-profane dichotomy). Batá drums and rhythms have started to be used in other genres, most notably in Cuban timba, jazz and hip hop. In the 1970s, for instance, a mixture of Batá drums and Big Band called Son-Batá or Batá Rock became popular, a genre highly influenced by Los Irakere.

Skilled secular musicians made appearances in the United States throughout the twentieth century; the likes of Julito Collazo and Francisco Aguabella helped the spreading of such 'mainstream' uses in the context of Latin music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 07:14
Thanks a lot, Guigo!Smile When we meet in Rome, I'll explain to you why this particular song title sounds rather hilarious to any speaker of ItalianWinkLOL....

Since I listened to TBiG again earlier this morning, I can say that  I don't find "Cavalettas" bad by any means, but I do think it is not as cohesive as other tracks on the album. Anyway, I'm planning a review in the next few weeks, so you'll be able to read everything concerning my opinion of the albums. "Asklepios" is not bad either, just slightly nondescript. As I said before, if I were to find the album's main flaw, it would probably be its length. But then, I am an unabashed nostalgic of the good old times of 40-minute-long albums...

BTW, Evans, your Aerial review is GREAT! Maybe a promotion could come your way in the future?Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 09:03
Thanks Raff! :) No detention at least, what a relief! Wink
Looking forward to your Bedlam review as well, too see if it can make me see the light in the darkness that is currently the Mars Volta..

Which is really strange, because Wax Simulacra is so great, i really believe that it is just a mental block which prevents me from liking the other tracks.

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 09:17
Well, just to show how different each of us are, I don't really care too much for "Wax Simulacra", while there are other tracks that I love ("Goliath" being my favourite so far). That said, I can understand why so many people where underwhelmed by TBiG... It is anything but an accessible album, and it will take repeated listens to really appreciate it. 

However, I think there is no shame at all in not liking it - the only thing I object to is to state that TMV are finished. Omar and Cedric are 32 years old, and TBiG is their fourth album... They still have a long, fruitful career ahead of them, and time to change and mature.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 09:35
Personally, i can't see how much more they can do with the sound their sound at the moment, they need some big change in direction for the next album, higher tempo and more noise just won't cut it in the future.
Maybe they need to give it a few years and progress themselves first, and then they can make a sizzling comeback album, Kate Bush style.
I read somewhere, i thinkit was wikipedia, that their next album was supposed to me softer, more acoustic. That could be interesting.
Edit: Wasn't ouroborous a snake who eats his own tail? Used according to wikipedia in a whole bunch of religions and mythologies as a symbol of something or other..


Edited by Evans - February 09 2008 at 09:42

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 18:32
/\ they've started their next album

they're calling it "their acoustic album"

I guess you're in luckLOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2008 at 19:15
Metatron is also the angel of the voice of God in Judaism/Jewish mysticism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 14:36
I agree with some of you all there.... TMV need a stylistic change-up... you can only take one too many blows to the head before you start getting numb and the overall effect... no matter how good.. is lost.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:37
Well I think it is a very frantic album with straight-forward compositions and loud atitude...
     But they have some nice lyrics that are rather...strange. I think it is a good album in terms of sound experimentation and lovely lyrics ,as well as very good guitar riffs by the way, anyways I think that it is listenable for people who can't take a owl album of mellow stuff...It should sound awsome played live,I don't think it is a very studio based album, The concept is good too and the line-up of the song are nice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:39
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

/\ they've started their next album

they're calling it "their acoustic album"

I guess you're in luckLOL


I wonder how they'll add fifteen minutes of noise to that one? =) *still hopeful*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2008 at 17:53
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

/\ they've started their next album

they're calling it "their acoustic album"

I guess you're in luckLOL


I wonder how they'll add fifteen minutes of noise to that one? =) *still hopeful*
Agreed. Acoustic noise owns electrical noise.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2008 at 04:08
If their so-called acoustic album is acoustic like Asilos Magdalena, then Dead
 
And I've decided I agree with Ghost Rider: my only problem with this album is its length. The tracks themselves are all good though, except maybe Tourniquet Man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 09:54
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

it's just, well, frankly, too much.
 


Oooh, I'm gonna love this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 10:06
I think it's a good album, but it's probably their worst album so far. They're one of those bands that's best when they build up the crazy sh*t and then release into the more spacey and chill stuff. Sometimes I feel like it's an exercise album for the drummer, I wouldn't be suprised if his arms ever flew out of his sockets during recording.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 11:00
if the acoustic album idea is true then it feels like what Opeth did- making two albums of the opposite sides of their dynamic. The problem is that these opposing sides juxtaposed are what add contrast and interest to the movie- hence, while both Damnation and Deliverance are good, they're not the best in their discography. Same goes for this I suppose, I love the album, but I wish they had used more dynamic contrast


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 12 2008 at 15:36

I think I changed my mind. I listened to Deloused in the Chromatorium in the car then came and listened to Bedlam in Goliath. After hearing Deloused I realized how much better they used to be. Their new album pretty much sucks in comparison, the more I think about it the more dissapointed I am in them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2008 at 10:56
I love Bedlam, but also, Comatorium makes everything else look silly. Also Wax Simulacra was a poor choice of single, I recon 'Goliath,' would make them more money.

Do you ever get the thing when you love all the mars volta albums equally and then you listen to comatorium and think, hmmm maybe album x aint actually so great or album y is good but too crazy compared to this ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:48
Originally posted by Gentlegiantprog Gentlegiantprog wrote:

I love Bedlam, but also, Comatorium makes everything else look silly. Also Wax Simulacra was a poor choice of single, I recon 'Goliath,' would make them more money.

Do you ever get the thing when you love all the mars volta albums equally and then you listen to comatorium and think, hmmm maybe album x aint actually so great or album y is good but too crazy compared to this ?


I actually share your point of view. De-loused... still remains the benchmark by which all TMV albums will be measured, and its power is to this day undiminished. TBiG is an excellent album indeed, but it does have flaws that have provoked some very negative reactions from numerous listeners. One thing is sure... it's definitely NOT a good introduction to the band. I am quite sure they'll change their approach in future releases, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:57
Great review Raffaella... here have some clappies.. been too long since I've given you some hahhaahahaha

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THE MARS VOLTA

The Bedlam In Goliath

2008

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Review by Ghost Rider (Raffaella)
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Posted 1:46:18 PM EST, 2/16/2008

4%20stars The Puerto Rican terrorists are at it again, dividing the prog world with their fourth album, released at the beginning of 2008 after having been made partly available on the Internet. As the previous reviews and the two or three threads dedicated to it will attest, The Bedlam in Goliath seems to polarise opinions in a way TMV's other albums did not. And with good reason indeed... While the quality of the musical offer is undeniable, it must also be said that this is not a record that thrives on subtlety or ease of approach. Unlike "Frances the Mute" or "Amputechture", which had their share of quieter, more reflective moments, TBiG presents itself like a dense, almost impenetrable wall of sound that can be extremely daunting to a first-time listener.

The Mars Volta are the legitimate heirs of everything we love about classic prog. They have got excess down to a fine art, with their esoteric song titles and stream-of-consciousness lyrics, their exotic, colourful artwork, the potpourri of diverse influences that characterises their music. They are brash, noisy, chaotic, puzzling, even annoying, but rarely elicit reactions of complete indifference. They are also probably the most authentically progressive of the modern bands, who are not afraid to use shock tactics in their compositional approach. However, they should learn how to harness their creative impulses, as well as the virtues of restraint.

It is indeed the lack of the aforementioned restraint that seems to have put some people off, and driven them to express very negative views of this record. TMV have gone for the throat here, throwing anything but the proverbial kitchen sink into the almost eighty minutes of the album, forgetting that sometimes less is more. For starters, the album is too long - but, unlike Frances the Mute, it lacks the moments of relative respite provided by the 'noises'. What we have here is 77 solid minutes of music, conducted at a consistently brisk, often frantic pace. It is a wonder how the band manage to sustain such high energy levels without getting tired - because, after a while, the average listener does. The twelve tracks merge into each other to the extent that it becomes difficult to distinguish between them without resorting to the lyrics. And then, those who are not too keen on Cedric's vocals are definitely out of luck here, because the sung parts overwhelm the instrumental ones.

That said, "The Bedlam in Goliath" does have moments of brilliance which remind us of the band's potential for greatness. The quality of the performances is consistently high, and new drummer Thomas Pridgen is probably the real star of the show. As good as Jon Theodore was, this is a real wizard of the skins, perfectly complemented by Juan Alderete's deft, funky bass lines. Cedric, who gets the lion's share here, proves that he can handle different vocal styles, and is definitely growing into a force to be reckoned with. And then there is Omar, the band's mastermind, an unlikely sort of guitar hero who shuns histrionics and ego-trips in order to hold the fabric of the music together. From a purely musical point of view, TMV are very much an ensemble, a mini-orchestra that Omar conducts according to his vision, producing a sound that is nevertheless very much a team effort.

Unlike their three previous albums, TBiG starts with a bang - opener "Aberinkula" hits the listener squarely in the face and never lets up, with Cedric's hysterical wailing and Omar's manic guitar work bolstered by Pridgen's insane drumming. "Ilyena" is a funky mid-tempo that, while not really sounding like anything like "The Widow" or "Televators", plays the role of the obligatory slow track. To these ears, "Goliath" is one of the best TMV compositions ever, full of wild time signature shifts, deranged drumming patterns and Cedric's snarling vocals - as well as distinctly audible keyboards. Other highlights are the lazy, groovy "Agadez", which is somehow reminiscent of Living Colour's take on funk-metal; the salsa-meets-Middle Eastern, violin-enhanced ride that is "Soothsayer"; and the jagged, psychedelic metal of "Ouroboros". Other tracks are not as memorable or successful, notably the patchy, overlong "Cavalettas" - while I find the single "Wax Simulacra" rather nondescript, and "Tourniquet Man" quite disposable. On the other hand, album closer "Conjugal Burns", though otherwise quite intriguing, would have benefited from being a tad shorter.

It could easily be said that, even more so than the band's previous albums, TBiG is something of an acquired taste. As we say in Italy, they have put a bit too much meat on the fire... However, TMV are still at the beginning of their career, and I am quite positive they are headed towards their full maturity. As to now, they are still in a kind of experimental mode - and, as we all know, experiments are not always completely successful. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I have been playing TBiG regularly since I bought it over two weeks ago, and, while I'd never say it is the band's masterpiece, I consider it a very good, progressive album which will probably grow more and more on me with each listen. Therefore I will give it a four-star rating, though not without a word of caution. If you are new to the band, try listening to "De-loused..." first.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2008 at 15:05
 ^ fabulous write-up
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