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Poll Question: Are both the Dems and the Reps necessary?
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The US needs more large parties, I think. Or no parties at all. 
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One of the best ways to have more parties could be the adoption of the 2nd shift IMHO. All parties may have candidates in the 1st shift and it's good to spread their messages.
 
In our presidential elections in 1990, the Social-Democrats ended the 1st shift in the 4th place but they sold their message (btw I didn't buy it) and won in 1994 and 1998 (with no need of a 2nd shift since their candidate got more than 50% in the first round).
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ that's good to hear because I haven't seen a single episode.Tongue

As a fan of the show I am absolutely certain your life will be better if you avoid the show at all costs.

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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

We need more....how about 5 or 6 equal parties, that way this tired, old cookie-cutter system will go away and we'll get candidates that actually have THEIR OWN opinions. 


ACTUAL OPINIONS?!?!?!  The reason we have the two-party system in place right now is to eliminate those!  The American public HATES opinions.  One must THINK to come up with opinions.  And if there's anything the American public is good at, it's not thinking.  Why think when you can just put a check next to either the "D" (or "R") that mommy and daddy always picked when they voted?

"I'll show you politics in America right here: 'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs....' 'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.'

Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! 'Go back to bed, America, your government is in control!!  Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer!!'"
 
 
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Aqua Teen always stops short of actually make a point. In fact the point of the show is to be pointless.


The point is usually implied. In Gee Whiz, they lampoon religiosity (comparing it with schizophrenia, noted by the fellow jumping off the billboard), critique censorship and political correctness ("Gee, I'm sure glad that wasn't blood!"), et cetera. They typically do make points, but it can sometimes get lost in the rapid-fire slapstick so common in the show.
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Yes they imply points, but then they usually intentionally derail. I think they are in some ways making a point about shows that try to make points. Hence my statement "the point of the the show is to be pointless."
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Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

We need more....how about 5 or 6 equal parties, that way this tired, old cookie-cutter system will go away and we'll get candidates that actually have THEIR OWN opinions. 


ACTUAL OPINIONS?!?!?!  The reason we have the two-party system in place right now is to eliminate those!  The American public HATES opinions.  One must THINK to come up with opinions.  And if there's anything the American public is good at, it's not thinking.  Why think when you can just put a check next to either the "D" (or "R") that mommy and daddy always picked when they voted?

"I'll show you politics in America right here: 'I believe the puppet on the right shares my beliefs....' 'Well, I believe the puppet on the left is more to my liking.'

Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets! 'Go back to bed, America, your government is in control!!  Here's Love Connection, watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer!!'"
 
 


For the most part I think your being paranoid, although I'm sure major industry tries to manipulate both parties to a degree. However, I don't think there's some X-Filesesque Syndicate at the top controlling it all.
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

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For the most part I think your being paranoid, although I'm sure major industry tries to manipulate both parties to a degree. However, I don't think there's some X-Filesesque Syndicate at the top controlling it all.


That's exactly what they're counting on...LOL
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:


I don't realize why USA cannot (or do not want to) install the electronic system 


Massive fraud.

http://blackboxvoting.org
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:


I don't realize why USA cannot (or do not want to) install the electronic system 


Massive fraud.

http://blackboxvoting.org
 
Ok, it happens... but considering that here we have 3 or 4 Communist Parties that are always yelling "Foul" and they ahd been silent it's because the level of "blackboxvoting" should be lesser now then when we used common paper ballots. Smile 
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I must tell you, seeing it from Argentina, a country with so many political partys as notes in a Petrucci solo, it´s quite odd to see USA has only two LOL
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Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

I must tell you, seeing it from Argentina, a country with so many political partys as notes in a Petrucci solo, it´s quite odd to see USA has only two LOL


From an outsiders point of view, agreed. Seven parties in the Swedish parliament as of now, and with US being huge, it seems strange with only two parties which have to see to the needs and demands of so many different interests. Perhaps a more representative form of government ? It's so hard to understand US politics, especially since the "deepest insights" for many Europeans come from watching the "The West Wing"! LOL
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Electronic voting is just fine by me provided there's a paper trail to back it up.  It is true that you can have too many political parties, but the lack of viable alternatives to the two in the US has not been a good thing for us.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

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For the most part I think your being paranoid, although I'm sure major industry tries to manipulate both parties to a degree. However, I don't think there's some X-Filesesque Syndicate at the top controlling it all.


That's exactly what they're counting on...LOL
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What the US really needs right now is the rise of a strong 3rd party.  The Democrats are on the verge of self-destruction, and it's not unheard of for a party to just one day disintegrate (anyone remember the Federalists?  or the Whigs?).  If that happens the republicans will be left in control for too long before another party can be formed to challenge their power.
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^it looks like both parties are in danger of that, moreso the GOP...they can't even come close to a consensus on who to elect - the crazy talk-radio ("ultra-conservative) wing can't stand John McCain and are really falling apart while the more level-minded moderates like McCain and are drifting away from the divisive stance of the others.  Most would agree that it's time for a "new order" of conservatives after what they've done since the Regan years...and I wouldn't mind seeing a strong libertarian and Green party as well as an actual liberal party for once.
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There should be no parties.  It should be a collective of various people that wish to be elected based on their beliefs and personal records (experience, and so on).  I mean they're basically the same party anyway.
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Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

What the US really needs right now is the rise of a strong 3rd party.  The Democrats are on the verge of self-destruction, and it's not unheard of for a party to just one day disintegrate (anyone remember the Federalists?  or the Whigs?).  If that happens the republicans will be left in control for too long before another party can be formed to challenge their power.

To me the Republicans seem more on the verge of self destruction than the Democrats.  And speaking of destruction, the way the Republicans have stacked the supreme court they'll be doing damage to this country for years to come without having to have control the presidency, the house or the senate...
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I don't like the endless bickering that didn't use to be the case (as much), but there needs to be at least two parties. The problem with lots of parties is then you can end up with something like Italy, which is really bad.
 
You can complain all you want, but if there were a sizeable demand in the US for a third party, someone would fill the gap. People are increasingly distancing themselves from either party, as shown by the rise of Independents and this year the prominence of McCain and Obama; they are willing to move to something else if it appeals to them. But the fact is, there aren't many people in the US who want to make it a radical socialist paradise.
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by everyone everyone wrote:

There are more than two parties.  Vote your conscience and your beliefs.  THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST OR WHO HAS THE MOST CASH.


Well one of the big problems these day our elections actually are turning out to be just a matter of popularity and who has the most cash.  Shouldn't be that way, but it is.
How else can a democracy work, if not by a popularity contest? Your money doesn't play as large a part as you suggest: just look at Rudy and Huckabee. Rudy spent 49 million for one delegate, and Huckabee made it this far on a shoestring.
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

The Democrats are on the verge of self-destruction
No, you mean the Republicans. The Democrats would make large strides towards getting there, though, if the superdelegates or MI and FL overturned a popular win by Obama.


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Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

I don't like the endless bickering that didn't use to be the case (as much), but there needs to be at least two parties. The problem with lots of parties is then you can end up with something like Italy, which is really bad.
. I don't follow Italian politics per se, but pluralism may not be that bad
 
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

You can complain all you want, but if there were a sizeable demand in the US for a third party, someone would fill the gap. People are increasingly distancing themselves from either party, as shown by the rise of Independents and this year the prominence of McCain and Obama; they are willing to move to something else if it appeals to them. But the fact is, there aren't many people in the US who want to make it a radical socialist paradise.
  You contradict yourself. The rise of independents implies that the need for a third party may be real.
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

The Democrats are on the verge of self-destruction
No, you mean the Republicans. The Democrats would make large strides towards getting there, though, if the superdelegates or MI and FL overturned a popular win by Obama.
Either party is a well-established business. What self-destruction are both of you talking about?
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