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Raff 
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 Posted: February 04 2008 at 02:17 |
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I apologise for misunderstanding your point... You see, after almost three years here, I'm used to seeing people trying to 'force' themselves to like a band as if it was something mandatory. That said, I'm happy you gave them a second chance and found something to like on De-Loused... (which is still my favourite from them).
I do agree with those who wrote here than the band don't give you a lot of respite, which of course can be a problem with people who, like you, need some sort of 'airier' feel in their music. You probably started with the wrong album... I think Frances the Mute would be much more to your liking, and possibly even Amputechture. Personally, as much as I love the band, I recognise they are not suitable for listening in any occasion... If I need something a bit more relaxing for my ears or my brain, I'll pick, say, Camel or Caravan.
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Sckxyss
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 02:28 |
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I'm not quite sure why anyone is saying TMV don't give you a lot of breathing room, when that really only describes their most recent album..
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JLocke
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:06 |
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Well, if this is the case, then I am happy, because I enjoyed the song from "De-Loused" that I heard, and if there is more like that in store for me, then I am looking forward to it.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:16 |
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I'm sorry, but how can anyone think this is any good? It seems I dislike this album for the same reason that I dislike anything I have heard from Zappa; it's just, well, frankly, too much.
I am fond of music that leaves space and really let you take in the movement that you have just heard (much like an orchestral arrangement), and I have found none of that here.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean about this, blease don't bash me, I really am trying to like it, but as of right now, I feel like I have wasted a good $15. :( Maybe I should give it time to grow on me...? I can always change my mind, but with these guys, I feel it will take quite a while.
Anyone else agree? Dissagree? Please, any TMV lovers out there, help me to try and look at this from another perspective; you see, I don't want to hate The Mars Volta, but I am fearing that I will end up doing just that. |
The question is: Why did you pick it up then? They had Wax Simulcra on their myspace for several weeks ... My advice: Even if you really don't like the music ... give it some time. Listen to other stuff which you like, and put on the CD every now and then and listen to a few tracks. If you still don't like it after a few months, you can still sell it. 
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:16 |
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what song was that?
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jmcdaniel_ee
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:29 |
I mentioned it, and someone else did too in another post: the drums and vocals are almost all you hear. It's really hard to pick out the guitars, keys, and sax. They have their moments, but for the most part they're buried. Usually I don't care about the details of a mix (a lot of people didn't like the production aspects of Rush's Vapor Trails, but it never bothered me), but the mix makes it very hard to listen to.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:43 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
I'm sorry, but how can anyone think this is any good? It seems I dislike this album for the same reason that I dislike anything I have heard from Zappa; it's just, well, frankly, too much.
I am fond of music that leaves space and really let you take in the movement that you have just heard (much like an orchestral arrangement), and I have found none of that here.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean about this, blease don't bash me, I really am trying to like it, but as of right now, I feel like I have wasted a good $15. :( Maybe I should give it time to grow on me...? I can always change my mind, but with these guys, I feel it will take quite a while.
Anyone else agree? Dissagree? Please, any TMV lovers out there, help me to try and look at this from another perspective; you see, I don't want to hate The Mars Volta, but I am fearing that I will end up doing just that. |
The question is: Why did you pick it up then? They had Wax Simulcra on their myspace for several weeks ...
My advice: Even if you really don't like the music ... give it some time. Listen to other stuff which you like, and put on the CD every now and then and listen to a few tracks. If you still don't like it after a few months, you can still sell it.
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Damn dude, can I have my head back now? I bought it because at the moment I don't have access to hgih-speed net, so listening or downloading any portion of the new album was not possible, and I didn't feel like waiting when the newest CD from a highly acclaimed prog band was right in front of me in the store. I took a risk, forgive me. 
As for your advice, if you would read the entire thread, you would already know what I am planning to do. Hopefully I won't look like an idiot as much to you now because I actually decided to wait for like an hour for "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" fully load on here.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 12:44 |
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Well, if you like that song then you're probably more likely to like De-loused then
and also, give Bedlam another chance, if you see past the mixing, it definitely grows on you
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 13:37 |
p0mt3 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
I'm sorry, but how can anyone think this is any good? It seems I dislike this album for the same reason that I dislike anything I have heard from Zappa; it's just, well, frankly, too much.
I am fond of music that leaves space and really let you take in the movement that you have just heard (much like an orchestral arrangement), and I have found none of that here.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean about this, blease don't bash me, I really am trying to like it, but as of right now, I feel like I have wasted a good $15. :( Maybe I should give it time to grow on me...? I can always change my mind, but with these guys, I feel it will take quite a while.
Anyone else agree? Dissagree? Please, any TMV lovers out there, help me to try and look at this from another perspective; you see, I don't want to hate The Mars Volta, but I am fearing that I will end up doing just that. |
The question is: Why did you pick it up then? They had Wax Simulcra on their myspace for several weeks ...
My advice: Even if you really don't like the music ... give it some time. Listen to other stuff which you like, and put on the CD every now and then and listen to a few tracks. If you still don't like it after a few months, you can still sell it.
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Damn dude, can I have my head back now? I bought it because at the moment I don't have access to hgih-speed net, so listening or downloading any portion of the new album was not possible, and I didn't feel like waiting when the newest CD from a highly acclaimed prog band was right in front of me in the store. I took a risk, forgive me.
As for your advice, if you would read the entire thread, you would already know what I am planning to do. Hopefully I won't look like an idiot as much to you now because I actually decided to wait for like an hour for "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" fully load on here. |
I'm deeply sorry.
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jammun
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 23:11 |
I know I should let this thread die, but...
Now I'm going to have to go out a get Deloused, which I've not heard.
Bedlam is the first one from MV I liked the first time I heard it (I knew it was good because my wife said, "What's that white noise"), but she's never heard Frances.
I still find Frances to be far more of an aural challenge and would have never imagined suggesting that as a better alternative to Bedlam for someone not familiar with the band.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 01:18 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm deeply sorry.
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Oh no, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from. I admit, I did jump the gun a bit with Bedlam, but luckily I wasn't dissapointed with my second TMV venture; I bought De-Loused this evening, and I LOVE IT! LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!
Edited by p0mt3 - February 05 2008 at 01:21
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 09:20 |
p0mt3 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm deeply sorry.
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Oh no, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from. I admit, I did jump the gun a bit with Bedlam, but luckily I wasn't dissapointed with my second TMV venture; I bought De-Loused this evening, and I LOVE IT! LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!
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well it seems you're not alone in the camp of not liking Bedlam though it seems to be better recieved than their last album  for closeness to Deloused (if at all) look up Frances the Mute....although there is a lot of ambience that some people find difficult to digest
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Sckxyss
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 23:55 |
Wow.. you sure let 'em have it with that last review, eh p0mt3?
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JLocke
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 00:52 |
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Wow.. you sure let 'em have it with that last review, eh p0mt3? |
Glad to see someone is reading my work, 
Yeah, well, I was a little harsh I admit, but I suppose I was waiting on reviewing it until I could sit down and listen to "De-loused" all the way through and compare the two. The absolute perfection that was ''De-loused" gave me enough insentive to never listen to "Bedlam" again. I mean, why listen to that when I can enjoy a far superior record from the same band? It's like choosing between CTTE and Union in terms of Yes albums; the choice is clear.
Ya never know, years from now I may give it a spin and completely change my mind, completely contradicting every bad thing I said about it in that review, but as of right now, I don;t see myself listening to it in any forseeable future.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 02:09 |
^ I read the review ... almost every point you make I see completely different, as do the various reviews I read in magazines. For example the drummer - he receives nothing but praise from most reviewers. Well, it's surely amazing how different the same thing can appear for different people.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 14:13 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I read the review ... almost every point you make I see completely different, as do the various reviews I read in magazines. For example the drummer - he receives nothing but praise from most reviewers.
Well, it's surely amazing how different the same thing can appear for different people.
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Absolutely. Well, I think it really depends on what aspect of the record you focus on. I'm sure a certain aspect of this drummer (probably his hopped-up-on-speed style playing) seems great to some poeple, while others (like myself) miss the old guy, who seemed (at least based on what I've heard on this record) to have a much more creative take on rhythm and backbeat.
Same thing with everything else; one could argue that the different style of singing Cedric is doing here is fantastic, but I certainly don't feel that way.
Meh...I'm probably being too hard on it  .
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 14:47 |
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Can anyone who feels that "De-loused" is still the best work from the Mars Volta comment on how the new album compares? I'll be honest, I haven't been terribly thrilled with the past two releases and I'm hesitant to drop another $12 on this band if it's more of the same.
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:03 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Can anyone who feels that "De-loused" is still the best work from the Mars Volta comment on how the new album compares? I'll be honest, I haven't been terribly thrilled with the past two releases and I'm hesitant to drop another $12 on this band if it's more of the same. |
For me Bedlam takes the best of FTM, the best of Amputechture, throws out any type of filler and adds more focus to the compositions. That's saying alot seeing as how The Mars Volta don't ever really sound like they have a focus.
Ilyena is tightly written and performed.
Metatron and Goliath are two epics with shifting time changes and rhythms.
Soothsayer is very hypnotic
Even Tourniquet Man is great in my opinion.
Bedlam will have to grow on you, but then again all TMVs stuff needs time to grow. I have been listening to it non-stop since I picked it up and I am still uncovering little details.
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:13 |
DO NOT, say Mars Volta are not good....
Realy it is one of the most creative bands in terms of Progressive Rock...They are great in terms of new sounds and odd signatures...By the way...They have 70's spirit in concerts and you can realy feel they're albums are Progressive and Hypnotic at the same time, as well thay have great solos and the vocals are amazingly worked out on the studio...Man ,Mars volta are pure and true...Not that alternative rock mixed up with prog you hear now a day...Although I love that kind of Neo-Prog...I guess we needed a band like THE MARS VOLTA a long time past the seventies, but that is just my opinion.
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Padraic
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:15 |
dpedal1 wrote:
For me Bedlam takes the best of FTM, the best of Amputechture, throws out any type of filler and adds more focus to the compositions. That's saying alot seeing as how The Mars Volta don't ever really sound like they have a focus.
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But in my opinion, this is what sets De-loused higher than the other two - a "structured chaos", if you will. Your description is exactly what I'm after, and it tells me that it might be worth me picking up the album. Thanks.
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