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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:02

King Crimson776 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater or many Dragonforce songs

I'm going to ignore the Dragonforce part

hey hey wait a minute...Dragonforce songs are so hard that even Dragonforce can't play them LOL

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Posted: December 12 2007 at 17:54

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I have just speed read this thread, and realise I don't know anything about music.

Do you have working ears? A brain? A heartbeat? Do you know what you like? Can you feel differing amounts of pleasure and displeasure when you listen to music?

If so, then you do "know" things about music, and qualify to listen to it (and, yes, even share opinions on it here).

damn right Peter.... I couldn't paint my way out of a paper bag.. .but sure as hell can tell a great painting from one that is not. It's in the mind.. and the heart... it isn't mathematics.. and neither is music. Though some prog brownshirts will tell try to you that it is...

The Prog Brownshirts.

Yeah that sounds like a cool band, what kind of music do they play?

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Posted: December 12 2007 at 18:02

Easy Money wrote:

micky wrote:

Peter wrote:

steve j wrote:

I have just speed read this thread, and realise I don't know anything about music.

Do you have working ears? A brain? A heartbeat? Do you know what you like? Can you feel differing amounts of pleasure and displeasure when you listen to music?

If so, then you do "know" things about music, and qualify to listen to it (and, yes, even share opinions on it here).

The Prog Brownshirts.

Yeah that sounds like a cool band, what kind of music do they play?

ahhhhh.....

*Easy Money winds up... and throws a hanging curve right over the heart of the plate

micky licks his lips.. and swings..... CRACK.....

Ball flies about 450ft and spashes down in 'Maxime Roy Cove'....*

prog metal of course LOL

all technical mastery.. and no 'soul' LOL

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Posted: December 12 2007 at 18:56

mmmmmmm ... baseball

Yeah the "tech" and "soul" issue is interesting. When I was young older jazz guys I knew would complain about McLaughlin's playing and I understand what they mean now, but to me McLaughlin does have soul. Not deep soul like Pete Cosey, Peter Green or Hendrix but still it doesn't sound cold to me, that is except for a lot of things he did past the early 80s.

In other words a lot of his earlier stuff did have some soul, and some of his later stuff too. I'm sure there are a lot who would disagree.

Edited by Easy Money - December 12 2007 at 18:59

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Posted: December 13 2007 at 17:53

Easy Money wrote:

mmmmmmm ... baseball

Yeah the "tech" and "soul" issue is interesting. When I was young older jazz guys I knew would complain about McLaughlin's playing and I understand what they mean now, but to me McLaughlin does have soul. Not deep soul like Pete Cosey, Peter Green or Hendrix but still it doesn't sound cold to me, that is except for a lot of things he did past the early 80s.

In other words a lot of his earlier stuff did have some soul, and some of his later stuff too. I'm sure there are a lot who would disagree.

His playing has cosmic soul dude, R&B guys can't even touch it

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Posted: December 13 2007 at 17:54

heyitsthatguy wrote:

King Crimson776 wrote:

stonebeard wrote:

"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater or many Dragonforce songs

I'm going to ignore the Dragonforce part

hey hey wait a minute...Dragonforce songs are so hard that even Dragonforce can't play them LOL

No, Dragonforce can't play their songs because they suck

Edited by King Crimson776 - December 13 2007 at 17:58

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Posted: January 24 2008 at 11:12

Any live version of The Gates Of Delirium.

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Posted: January 24 2008 at 14:55

Contrary to what some people believe, technicality is more than just "speed". There also is a kind of "uncertainty principle" in music, which is somewhat like this: expression * speed <= t, with t being a kind of technicality constant like the Planck constant or the speed of light in physics. The faster you play, the less expression you have, and vice versa. Technicality has aspects of both, not just speed.

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Posted: January 24 2008 at 17:10

If I have one great prog failing it's that brilliant, precise and academic musicianship is often lost on me; after a musician establishes themselves as flexible or interesting, I find it difficult to decide between them based on accomplishment or skill and frequently discount their improvisational skill altogether. *wonders whether any other forum posters think like this*

So, I'll pick a song for a different reason: Henry Cow's "Beautiful as the Moon; Terrible as an Army with Banners" is the track that I find the most evidence of painstakingly studious and technical WRITING I've yet to hear in progressive music - whatever the truth about its composition may be, I find it difficult to believe that they just thrashed it out together in the studio because - to use a silly cliche - there isn't a note out of place. I have to imagine they scored it out professionally. As a consequence, it's my favourite song as of right now. Go listen to it if you'd like to hear what I mean. =)

Edited by laplace - January 24 2008 at 17:10

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Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:13

You start with Dream Theater and you want it taken seriously...think again.

Anything Dave Gilmour does, wins hands down.

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Posted: January 26 2008 at 08:23

BaldFriede wrote:

Contrary to what some people believe, technicality is more than just "speed". There also is a kind of "uncertainty principle" in music, which is somewhat like this: expression * speed <= t, with t being a kind of technicality constant like the Planck constant or the speed of light in physics. The faster you play, the less expression you have, and vice versa. Technicality has aspects of both, not just speed.

Which brings us to the most expressive player ever Approve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MI-_jWAmlE

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Posted: January 26 2008 at 09:56

Anything by John McLaughlin, either his Mahavisnu days or Shakti work.. Let's choose "Mind Ecology" from Shakti's "Natural Elements" CD. In my opinion no one can match McLaughlin for consistent and persistent virtuosity, variety and emotion. I must admit to being completely out of the loop with regards to anyone in the last 15 years, but Jan Akkerman and Frank Zappa are up there and all of Jean-LucPonty's axmen (Stuermer, Holdsworth, Leviano, et al.) have had to be capable to keep up with Jean-Luc. Gilmouor, Howe, Albrighton, Holdsworth, Vai and even Fripp have had stellar moments, but not in all categories.
Whatever happened to Stanley Jordan. And what about Michael Hedges?

Next topic: drummers, Bass players, keyboard players, accessory men?

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Posted: January 26 2008 at 13:53

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What's the use of technique without emotion?

Exactly!! When guitar playing is a technical display it can be really boring as with operatic singing. Pete Townsend was quite rough but evocative. Steve Howe's techncal excellence is presented as part of the whole Yes package. Roy Buchanan is another guitarist that combines technique and emotion.

We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah)

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Posted: January 31 2008 at 15:29

kiwi wrote:

fuxi wrote:

What's the use of technique without emotion?

But Dreamtheater's guitar player is also a great "Emotionizer"(lol) when it come to do nice feeling solos ,like there covers of Pink Floyd for exemple.

You know what I do think ,realy man...

I think guitar players contribute with theire own feeling and technique, they don't need to be better nor worse ,just different or creative, be yourself with you're true instrument ,that's my philosophy in terms of music. You can be extremely good making virtuoso solos like mr. Satriani or Steve Vai, but I'm not so sure about them developing they're own style like Robert Fripp or late great Jimi Hendrix, beacause those metalish virtuosos kinda make me sick as hell!!!!! THEY END UP BEING AN IMITATION OF GREATNESS,AS THEY FORGET THAT MUSIC IS ART!

And that is all I have to say about guitar and probably would say about any instrument mankind as created.

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Posted: February 03 2008 at 01:56