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chamberry
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 18:59 |
I'm happy with the list as it is. The band's that I was always rooting for since day 1 (Battles, Grayceon, The Pax Cecilia) got in the top 10.
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avestin
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:00 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Maybe these collabs with get it right one day...
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If that came from anyone else, then= but you=
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:18 |
Boo to PT winning, as expected. Yey to the album of the millenium coming second!
I did vote for The Pax Cecilia and possibly Grayceon, as well as Battles.
Having now heard the new Ahleuchatistas (and I've still yet to hear the new Upsilon Acrux), however, that will go into my top 5, along with Rational Diet. With further listens of Salle Gaveau, that album may creep up too, However, with the likes of Wyatt's Comicopera and Shining's Grindstone, plus the best live album of the millenium, there are few places left.
Battles' Mirrored was also excellent.
P.A. is going mainstream though, it seems.
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Man With Hat
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Joined: March 12 2005
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:31 |
avestin wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
Maybe these collabs with get it right one day...
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If that came from anyone else, then= but you=
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Exemptions
At least it seems you and Cham did a good job of spreading the word of Grayceon.
Edited by Man With Hat - January 25 2008 at 19:32
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Logan
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 19:55 |
Man With Hat wrote:
Sad to see PT at the top again. Deadwing I could see (not exactly sure what else came out that year anyway) but FOABP is certainly not as good/progressive as the rest of their discog or many of the other releases this year (IMHO of course). And yes...I am a fan of the band.
Maybe these collabs with get it right one day...
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2005 is a great year by my reckoning... Porcupine Tree's Deadwing only rates at 20 on the studio albums all genres for 2005 Top 100 list, and only 30 if you don't specify studio albums, but I was already a user of this site when it was at the top I think. I enjoyed Deadwing... I bought it soon after it came out due to the samples at the band's site. Some of my favourites from 2005 are Koenjihyakkei's Angherr Shisspa, Guapo's Black Oni, Bondage Fruit's BF VI, Nil's Nil Novo Sub Sole, VdGG's Present, Miriodor's Parade, Djam Karat's Recollection Harvest, Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses' Perils, Indukti S.U.S.A.R. etc. Anyway, it would be interesting to know if the Collaborators' album of 2005 was redone today just how well it would rank (people have heard a lot more of 2005 by now). I expect that a couple years done the road, PT's FoaBP won't be thought of as the prog album of 2007. Much as I liked Deadwing, I didn't think it that prog.
Edited by Logan - January 25 2008 at 20:01
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:03 |
I didn't know know Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni or S.U.S.A.R. back in 2005 and I think I voted for Deadwing, as No. 1, if not Wobbler's Hinterland.
If I'd know about Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni and S.U.S.A.R., I'd have put them in the top 5, as all three of those albums are my favourite albums of all times.
I have Perils on CD and have yet to hear it, strangely, I must correct that issue sometime soon.
I'll see if I can dig out my 2005 list... actually, I wasn't a Collab. then, so I'm not sure what I voted it in, but I remember doing so. I did vote for 2006 Collab. album though, I believe.
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micky
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Joined: October 02 2005
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:14 |
hmmmm the question arises to my mind... since this is PA's and no constitution.... me thinks we need another vote.... we obviously didn't get it right the first time.. I can imagine somewhere someone will be laughing looking that on this site... of all sites.. 2 of the top 7 albums are non prog.. or borderline prog. This WAS a good year for prog... for example.. stuff like the Battles was simply heads and shoulders above either album from Rush and PT in prog terms... and some point as colloborators... don't you think you can set aside blatent votes on what you like and what you don't for recognizing when prog albums and artists do something different.. unique.. or really make a mark upon the prog scene. Thinking out loud....
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sleeper
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Joined: October 09 2005
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:15 |
Geck0 wrote:
I didn't know know Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni or S.U.S.A.R. back in 2005 and I think I voted for Deadwing, as No. 1, if not Wobbler's Hinterland.
If I'd know about Angherr Shisspa, Black Oni and S.U.S.A.R., I'd have put them in the top 5, as all three of those albums are my favourite albums of all times.
I have Perils on CD and have yet to hear it, strangely, I must correct that issue sometime soon.
I'll see if I can dig out my 2005 list... actually, I wasn't a Collab. then, so I'm not sure what I voted it in, but I remember doing so. I did vote for 2006 Collab. album though, I believe.
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I dont think you were a collab in 2005 so you couldnt have voted for Deadwing. Anyway, reffering to a previous post of yours, I dont think you voted for Battles- Mirrored either, though you did mention it.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
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Points: 89372
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:22 |
As I don't have a list of 2005 albums available, I will have to make do with my top 3:
1. Koenjihyakkei - Angherr Shisspa 2. Guapo - Black Oni 3. Indukti - S.U.S.A.R. 4. Van der Graaf Generator - Present
I cannot think of a no. 5 yet.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:23 |
the indie invasion of Prog is in full swing, and it's gonna be ugly for awhile
not thrilled with this list at all
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:25 |
Andy, I did vote for Battles, my list was as follows:
1. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera 2. Van der Graaf Generator - Real Time 3. Shining - Grindstone 4. Battles - Mirrored 5. Alamaailman Vasarat - Maahan
Honorary mentions:
Soft Mountain - Soft Mountain (there's just no room...) The Pax Cecilia - Blessed Are the Bonds (heard it last night and it's excellent) Grayceon - Grayceon Anekdoten - A Time of Day (not as good as their previous efforts though) Salle Gaveau - Alloy Riverside - Rapid Eye Movement (an amazing live band)
Non-prog:
Invert - The Strange Parade
As of now, I'd also add the following to honorary mentions:
Rational Diet - Rational Diet Ahleuchatistas - Even in the Midst...
Plus not-yet-added release:
Ultralyd - Conditions for a Piece of Music
Micky, I am not sure which other album you're referring to in regards to not being prog, but I can tell you that Comicopera, although containing much prog elements, also has some prog on it too. It's a typically brilliant Wyatt album.
Edited by Geck0 - January 25 2008 at 20:30
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:33 |
Interesting results,it's nice to see The Pax Cecilia and Grayceon place so high.
My first choice,Between the Buried and Me's album "Colors" didn't even make it onto the list.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:33 |
Atavachron wrote:
the indie invasion of Prog is in full swing, and it's gonna be ugly for awhile
not thrilled with this list at all
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Apart from the PT, Radiohead and Rush (although I've not heard any of their 2007 albums), I'm not too disappointed with the list, except I'd like to see some of those avant-prog bands higher up the list. Infact, I am especially pleased that Comicopera was joint-second.
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micky
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:34 |
Geck0 wrote:
Micky, I am not sure which other album you're referring to in regards to not being prog, but I can tell you that Comicopera, although containing much prog elements, also has some prog on it too. It's a typically brilliant Wyatt album.
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I'll give the PT album the benefit of the doubt.. and chalk it up to being the most uninspiring and flaccid prog album of the year. but I think the Rush album is even more of a stretch.. it is a better album.. but even as open minded as I am to what prog is and is not.. and you all know just how open minded I am. That album is a stretch to be considered a prog album.. much less in the top 10 of the year hahhaha anyhow.. I posted something in the collab area....
Edited by micky - January 25 2008 at 20:35
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:36 |
I meant to say (re: Comicopera): although containing much pop elements...
Edited by Geck0 - January 25 2008 at 20:36
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:38 |
Logan wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
Sad to see PT at the top again. Deadwing I could see (not exactly sure what else came out that year anyway) but FOABP is certainly not as good/progressive as the rest of their discog or many of the other releases this year (IMHO of course). And yes...I am a fan of the band.
Maybe these collabs with get it right one day...
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2005 is a great year by my reckoning... Porcupine Tree's Deadwing only rates at 20 on the studio albums all genres for 2005 Top 100 list, and only 30 if you don't specify studio albums, but I was already a user of this site when it was at the top I think. I enjoyed Deadwing... I bought it soon after it came out due to the samples at the band's site. Some of my favourites from 2005 are Koenjihyakkei's Angherr Shisspa, Guapo's Black Oni, Bondage Fruit's BF VI, Nil's Nil Novo Sub Sole, VdGG's Present, Miriodor's Parade, Djam Karat's Recollection Harvest, Miasma and the Carousel of Headless Horses' Perils, Indukti S.U.S.A.R. etc.
Anyway, it would be interesting to know if the Collaborators' album of 2005 was redone today just how well it would rank (people have heard a lot more of 2005 by now). I expect that a couple years done the road, PT's FoaBP won't be thought of as the prog album of 2007. Much as I liked Deadwing, I didn't think it that prog.
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Damn...good year indeed. Though I'm sure I didn't hear many of them in 05 (with the exception of Parade).
The ones in bold are the ones I have and those that I think are better than Deadwing...which I like alot. I also have Indukti's album which I remember as pretty good but I think I only listened to it a couple of times.
I'd like to see that last paragraph implimented. Especially now with as many collabs as this site has I think an alternate list is a good idea and should get a more accurate account (though that was my favorite collab list).
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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EnglishAssassin
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 20:56 |
For what little my opinion's worth, I think it's an interesting list. I'm already enjoying finding samples of all the many bands I hadn't even previously heard of.
In reference to the above suggestion of redoing previous years' lists with the benefit of hindsight; surely that rather misses the point. Annual best-of lists are meant to be things of their time, recording opinions as they were then, not something subjected to constant revisionism as tastes change.
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micky
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:13 |
EnglishAssassin wrote:
For what little my opinion's worth, I think it's an interesting list. I'm already enjoying finding samples of all the many bands I hadn't even previously heard of.
In reference to the above suggestion of redoing previous years' lists with the benefit of hindsight; surely that rather misses the point. Annual best-of lists are meant to be things of their time, recording opinions as they were then, not something subjected to constant revisionism as tastes change.
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hmmmm.. good post... but what hindsight are you referring too... every swinging dick on this forum knew who was going to win I mentioned in a post I just made in the collab area that I'd like to see this revoted upon.. and here is why. Ask yourself... why do the collabs have a seperate list from the gen pop here... any person can vote for albums based on whether we like it or not.. you don't have to be a collab to do that.. however... we as collabs are held to a different standard.. the price of those fancy tags and nice stars they give us along with the parking spaces and album allowances. The site expects the collabs to think a bit deeper than just .. I liked it.. regardless if this album was a retread of some album done better years ago.. yet other albums that are fresh and progressive are not looked upon with some added weight. I think that should be stressed.. and the list revoted upon... drum up some interest.. and get people off their asses . .and listening to something different. Isn't that why you are are here. I'm sure it isn't for my stand-up routines hahahha
Edited by micky - January 25 2008 at 21:15
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russellk
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:35 |
This has me scratching my head. I never saw anything about nominations or a vote - must have blinked. I would have had Gazpacho's 'Night' as my album of 2007, and would have pushed Between the Buried and Me, Oceansize and Battles.
Hmmm. I've been checking the site on a daily basis - wonder how I missed this one?
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micky
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Posted: January 25 2008 at 21:37 |
^ another reason for a re-vote hahahhaha
and Gazpacho would have been in my 5 as well
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