Meshuggah?

ProgBagel wrote: You say music is about art....you even underlined the damn word. Then you say music should have harmony and melody...you underline those words as well. For the 3rd time...the more you write the more it does not make sense. What the hell is wrong with you?

Why is art a "damn word" to you??

are J.Haydn, W.A.Mozart, Beethoven creations, damn to you too??

I just mentioned some of the attributes of "music", otherwise it would be just sounds or noise.

P.H.P. wrote: Tapfret wrote:   2. You can't seem to wrap your mind around the concept of what is good is purely subjective.  Countless prog bashers have proclaimed similar feelings about bands like Gentle Giant and King Crimson.   There's no way of comparing those PROG bands with Meshuggah, just like water and oil. There are ways of combining them ... it's called an "emulsion". Aren't most of the top prog bands good examples of "emulsions" of seemingly contradictory ingredients?   3. Taking statements to extremities such as, "So, you're proposing that EVERY band that scapes from doing commercial things or just do anything "not common" will be automatically Prog???" and using words like everybody, all and never are the foundations of specious logic and overall poor debating skill. I don't need debating skills here, the music of Meshuggah speaks for itself. It surely does. 4. The bands on this site are decided by commitee, obviously they found enough of the elements mentioned to include them. Do you really have to believe everything PA says??, the answer is NO, if you have your own well-formed Prog criteria you will not, just like everyone else does... Of course we all have our own personal definition of "Prog". But PA has become an authority in the domain, like it or not. You're free to disagree, but you're simply not as reliable as a source of information (or worse: opinion). 5. What you have created is nothing more than a hate thread, despite your thin disclaimer.   Again, not a hate thread, I'm just asking if what I think repeats in more Prog fans, and if it does consistently repeats, then it probably be true. You're clutching at straws IMHO ... many members like Meshuggah. If you accept that it's impossible to please everyone, a 50:50 distribution of prog/non-prog votes means that the band is prog. At least by decree of the mighty MER!

P.H.P. wrote: I don't need debating skills here

P.H.P. wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: activetopics wrote: meshuggah's wacky Yes specially on the EP True Human Design. But like it or not, guys: Meshuggah are Progressive Metal. Ooh-Ooh Aah-Aah? EDIT: that single image reveals what you'll find in Meshuggah's stuff, a bunch of apes playing the "bad", and in fact that image doesn't look Prog at all!! they just look like death metal band cannibal corpse! the horror, the horror!

Edited by Majestic_Mayhem - September 29 2007 at 00:14

P.H.P. wrote: Majestic_Mayhem wrote: Basing your judgments on pictures will do you no good.. Don't you just love wacky pics? I do. Tell me, what images look prog to you?:  You truly won't accept it that Meshuggah are actually progressive- Progressive Metal., and I'm cool with that, but hey like it or not, they sure are pogressive.Get over it.   PS: Cannibal Corpse aint death metal. This looks Prog: OK.... that looks like a mascot to me. The only thing that made that picture look prog is Peter Gabriel. I wonder how good will that look on you.. ...don't you mean Meshuggah are just technical or complex or whatever? I will mantain my statement that there's no way I can relate them with Prog music... Yes they are technical and complex.OK, if that's what you think, I will let the poll results speak. I've said my stand several times already. and yes, Cannibal Corpse are death metal, who said they aren't? My dog (oh yes he can talk). He says they are not death metal, coz he does not like them and has his own way of classifying bands in the genre.

Hm, this poll is stuck in 38 votes, it seems that Meshuggah's stuff doesn't appeal to the average Prog fan, maybe there's nothing to like for a Prog fan, maybe they're are right too.

Well, Im jumping into the MOSH pit . . . (seeing it got started on my B-Day :D)

This is a great band, but some of the arguments are moot.  This is much like what happened
to the axing of bands on Progulus.com that still is a HOT issue to this day . . . But Meshuggah
stayed (even though its one of the MOST hated bands).
I have a HUGE collection of Progressive Rock and Metal in my arsenal, as well as other types
of music, from one extreme to another. But . . .
I AM a Prog Head . . . for others to NOT like Meshuggah does not stop the fact that they ARE
in a "SUB-GENRE'" of Prog, "Math Metal" I call it (As others) and it sure doesn't prevent me
from being a Prog fan.
This is a GREAT example why "Labels" are needed, they are NOT the pure sence of Prog, but
a Sub-genre' of the form.

As far as the Meshuggahners and the goofy Pic, THEY ARE GOOFY!  They play with
mathematical precision, yet don't take themselves seriously.  But they are NOT Cannibal
Corpse, THEY are not a Gore Metal band, on the contrary, the lyrics are introspective
and esoteric.

I guess we entered a Paradox, because how could I be judged if I listen to ELP, Rush,
Sieges Even, Lemur Voice, Dream Theater, Yes, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Riverside, Fates
Warning, PFM, Saga to Meshuggah, Realm, Spiral Architect, Death, Cynic, Twisted Into
Form, Continuo Renacer', Disillusion to Peter Murphy, Bjork, Tori Amos, Edie Brickell &
New Bohemians? (Variety anyone?)

WE Proggers are GEEKS in the whole VAST configuration of things, WE dont matter to
the world . . . but by God Im a Progger, what-ever "sub-genres" I like, but by definition-
Progressive . . . breaking Rules and Molds.  . . . and I sure am NOT the "average" fan
thank God.

I tell you what, I sure DO admit we all are elitest, why . . . have you heard of . . .
RADIO?
And if a Pic is going to determine WHAT is Prog, Meshuggah are Peter Gabriel fans.
Anyone care to post their influences from the Destroy Erase Improve Album ;)

See HOW silly the Meshuggahners are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinscPufStY

By the way, this sort of reminds me of a Progulus Thread:
http://www.progulus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=149



"My opinion, is just a point of view,
And your position, is the other side"
-Fates Warning


Edited by MAVIII - January 02 2008 at 06:29

obZen!

I don't know if it is really prog metal but one thing is sure these guys rock!

i honestly could care less if meshuggah is considered "prog"... i think a lot of people hold the term as some sort of way to define good and bad. that is not so... call meshuggah what you would like or say that they are not your cup of tea, but they are without a doubt the dominate band in the tech metal world. i hold them above every other band in the metal world for their talent, power, and the way they have changed by thinking about their music as a whole.

not to mention they have completely destroyed my mind!