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cynthiasmallet View Drop Down

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Topic: Outrageous prog views
Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:48

OK, there's a lot of varied views here on the prog archives, but in this topic I really want to get things going. I want to here your outrageous prog rock views. I mean views that are so completely bizarre and near impossible sympathise with about the most legendary prog music. I'll get the ball rolling.

The Wall is better than Dark Side of The Moon, full stop.

Close to The Edge is no where near Yes' best album.

As Thick as a Brick is poor.

Any one care to vent their progressive views?

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puma

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:53

My outrageous prog view is that none of these bands on this site sound a bit alike to me, and that progressive rock is a made up genre to make easier the task of collecting these strange and varied bands

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 15:56

cynthiasmallet wrote:

OK, there's a lot of varied views here on the prog archives, but in this topic I really want to get things going. I want to here your outrageous prog rock views. I mean views that are so completely bizarre and near impossible sympathise with about the most legendary prog music. I'll get the ball rolling.

The Wall is better than Dark Side of The Moon, full stop.

Close to The Edge is no where near Yes' best album.

As Thick as a Brick is poor.

Any one care to vent their progressive views?

I can definitely support your second statement. The best Yes album is "Relayer".

BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:06

the best yes album is Tales from Topographic Oceans. . . everyone know that!

sleeper

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:07

Yes arent even among progs top tier. Wink

Power metal based prog can be very good and not even slightly cheesy.

Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005

Avantgardehead View Drop Down

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:13

Jethro Tull is the most overrated band on this site and don't even strike me as progressive in the least. Oh look, it's hard rock with folk influences and a flute! ZOMG progressive!!!11!

Dream Theater is not fully progressive metal, more like metal with progressive influences/moments in my book. Plus I can't stand to listen to them in the first place...

Progressive rock existed in the late sixties and early to mid-seventies, but quickly died out and has not returned in its true form since. I like most of the retro bands, but "modern prog" bands today don't sound like they're doing anything new, anything actually progressive.

Avant-garde music is the new prog as it's actually progressing and sounding new/revolutionary to me.

And speaking of avant-garde, if it doesn't have any melody or cohesiveness, I can't stand it. Seems like a good number of avant-garde music draws from Dadaism instead of the nice, melodic, classical avant-garde composers like Erik Satie, Francis Poulenc, and so forth. You don't have to be weird, annoying, and entirely dissonant to be avant-garde...

Edited by Avantgardehead - January 21 2008 at 16:19

http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian

cynthiasmallet View Drop Down

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:16

Avantgardehead wrote:

Jethro Tull is the most overrated band on this site and don't even strike me as progressive in the least. Oh look, it's hard rock with folk influences and a flute! ZOMG progressive!!!11!Dream Theater is not fully progressive metal, more like metal with progressive influences/moments in my book. Plus I can't stand to listen to them in the first place...Progressive rock existed in the late sixties and early to mid-seventies, but quickly died out and has not returned in its true form since. I like most of the retro bands, but "modern prog" bands today don't sound like they're doing anything new, anything actually progressive. Avant-garde music is the new prog as it's actually progressing and sounding new/revolutionary to me.And speaking of avant-garde, if it doesn't have any melody or cohesiveness, I can't stand it. Seems like a good number of avant-garde music draws from Dadaism instead of the nice, melodic, classical avant-garde composers like Erik Satie, Francis Poulenk, and so forth. You don't have to be weird, annoying, and entirely dissonant to be avant-garde...

...........*standing ovation and Ennio Morricone music*

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sean

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:31

Prince_Rupert wrote:

the best yes album is Tales from Topographic Oceans. . . everyone know that!

Stop denying it people. Everyone knows the best Yes album is 90125. Wink

as for my outrageous prog claims:

I know what Jon Anderson's lyrics mean

the 80's were the best decade for every 70's prog band

laplace

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:32

I don't think Morgan were that bad.

(first nice outrageous prog view expressed) ;P

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:40

Outrageous prog views, eh. It's just a thought, but how about this? "Dream Theater may not be everybody's cup of tea but maybe it's just a little childish and snobby to start whining about how they're fecking awful and they're not real prog anyway every bloody time they're mentioned?"

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:47

EnglishAssassin wrote:

Outrageous prog views, eh. It's just a thought, but how about this? "Dream Theater may not be everybody's cup of tea but maybe it's just a little childish and snobby to start whining about how they're fecking awful and they're not real prog anyway every bloody time they're mentioned?"

Ohh, that's not an outrageous prog view, that's just getting defensive! Where's the controversy?

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ProgBagel

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:55

Genesis....why?

cynthiasmallet View Drop Down

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 16:59

ProgBagel wrote:

Genesis....why?

Dear God, i've created a monster!

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:06

Ok, here are some of my progressive herasys,

Collins is a better singer than Gabriel

DSOTM, is not nearly as good as The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were Here, Medal, or Pipers

Neo-prog is just as derivative as any other genre

King Crimson didn't invent Prog

DT wern't even close to the first prog-metal band

Post-rock/math-rock will replace prog-metal as the "new sound" in prog

who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:08

There is a danger with this thread that it is simply used as an excuse to be abusive to bands, members, genres, etc.

Humour is fine, but the requirement remains for contributions to this thread to be constructive and civil.

I foresee the future of this thread as a move to "Just for fun", then closure.

Prove me wrong.

BaldJean

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:09

Proletariat wrote:

Ok, here are some of my progressive herasys,

Collins is a better singer than Gabriel

DSOTM, is not nearly as good as The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were Here, Medal, or Pipers

Neo-prog is just as derivative as any other genre

King Crimson didn't invent Prog

DT wern't even close to the first prog-metal band

Post-rock/math-rock will replace prog-metal as the "new sound" in prog

you are certainly right with your fourth statement. the invention of prog can definitely not be ascribed to a single band alone. that it was invented by King Crimson is one of the big myths of prog

Edited by BaldJean - January 21 2008 at 17:10

A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta

arcer

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:14

Most outrageous thought? Occasionally that Prog is silly, pretentious, overachieving boys playing "my solo's longer than yours" ad nauseum and that a nice cup of tea and a sit down with some Katie Mehlua would be nice

...the horror, the horror.

actually i do sometimes think that about Prog. I must be getting old...

Edited by arcer - January 21 2008 at 17:15

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:21

Pink Floyd without Waters sounds as good, and sometimes better, than with Waters.

Bigger on the inside.

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:21

Grace Under Pressure is the best Rush album.

A Passion Play is WAY better than Thick as a Brick.

I could never get into Dream Theater because I think the singer's voice sounds silly.

Nursery Cryme has better songs than Foxtrot.

A lot of Neo-Prog is better than the Classic 70's Prog bands.

Does anybody REALLY like Syd era Floyd? Seriously?

....And this is how you make enemies, fast!

Edited by Mousoleum - January 21 2008 at 17:23

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Posted: January 21 2008 at 17:29

Tommy was NOT the first concept album - that title belongs to Days of Future Passed!
Sgt. Pepper's isn't really that good - in fact I find most of it is mediocre; the White Album is tied for top spot with Abbey Road as the greatest Beatles albums .... and neither of them have ANY filler! Shocked

Oh yeah, and Brain Salad Surgery isn't pretentious, at all. Stern%20Smile

(I guess that was neither constructive nor bashing Tongue

... just "venting my progressive views" as the topic says!)