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longliveyes 
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 19:25 |
Hi every one i am a newbie but would like to ask your opinion on this
Do you think Jon Anderson has spoilt Yes recent releases by over singing and dominating the songs.I would love to hear more musical passages interspersed with Jon,s singing
Edited by longliveyes - January 14 2008 at 15:42
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el böthy
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:36 |
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I think not, that he hasn´t, no for the negative...
...maybe a little
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 21:26 |
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Not really.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 21:28 |
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the songs have been the problem not his voice.
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 22:45 |
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The songs were not all written by Jon, most were collaberations. Therefore if any spoiling was done, it would be a group effort.
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kiwi
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 23:25 |
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There are some very good songs, both on magnification and the ladder. They are not the same as the earlier classical period in the 70's but they have their own strengths. IMHO he does not oversing them. And from another perspective the voice is another instrument.
In the classical period, bands were producing songs of 20 minutes plus with extended instrumentation. Are any bands doing that successfully now?
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 00:17 |
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It depends on how you define successfully, but the short answer to your question is yes.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 00:47 |
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Long songs aren't really that rare anymore.
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fuxi
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 05:00 |
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I totally agree that he's spoiling them. Especially since his lyrics are far too sugary and preachy. (It was more fun in the old days, when they were merely incomprehensible.) And what ever happened to Messrs. Wakeman and Howe - do they have nothing left to prove?
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kiwi
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 05:41 |
 fuxi wrote:
Especially since his lyrics are far too sugary and preachy. (It was more fun in the old days, when they were merely incomprehensible.) |
I like the point about the incomprehensible lyrics - I still can't figure lots of them out. But the years have rolled on and ideally we accumulate wisdom and perhaps have more to say. Take this song for instance - Soft as a Dove from Magnification Soft as a dove Touching the hand that lays next to me Innocent light Leading us through a moment in time Then you came home I let you cry like a father should do Innocent light Leading us to a moment in time (lyrical quote edited)
This was written by a father talking about his child - it is a gift to be able to put sentiments such as these to beautiful words and music.
As a person who believes in God the lyrics "if we were flowers we would worship the sun, so why not now.." resonate deeply with me. And it is complimented by a spacey haunting albeit short solo by Steve Howe.
Rock music was once dominated by young men. As the field is now more mature, the range of expression is more diverse. There are plenty of people that are turned on by lyrics such as these and I actively look for that which elevates the mind. If they are not to your liking there is a lot of choice out there.
Edited by Easy Livin - January 14 2008 at 14:12
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mickcoxinha
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 08:07 |
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I don't think the recent Yes works are spoiled, because though not as good as most of their early albums, The Ladder and Magnification are very good and much better than the 80's and early 90's albums.
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everyone
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 14:32 |
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Jon's voice is as great as ever. The writing of the music is just a little bland. Some of the music on Magnification and The Ladder have the "old" Yes feel, but I think they should just tour because their statement has been made and there is nothing that they can do that can better what they did together in the 70's. Or they are just trying to hard to top what they have done. Maybe they need to ask Peter Banks back into the group. Who knows....
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 14:45 |
fuxi wrote:
I totally agree that he's spoiling them. Especially since his lyrics are far too sugary and preachy. (It was more fun in the old days, when they were merely incomprehensible.) And what ever happened to Messrs. Wakeman and Howe - do they have nothing left to prove? |
Ok, you have described the Rabin era/ ABWH era rather well. Yes has moved on from that, thank God, and the lyrics are a bit better nowadays. (Sadly, Jon's vocal talents reached their height in the Rabin era, however.)
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kiwi
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:06 |
Ok, you have described the Rabin era/ ABWH era rather well. Yes has moved on from that, thank God, and the lyrics are a bit better nowadays. (Sadly, Jon's vocal talents reached their height in the Rabin era, however.) [/QUOTE] While I am a big yes fan (I started with Close to the Edge) I gave up after Drama. I only played drama a few times. It wasn't so much the lyrics - the music lost the x factor it had in their classical period. To a large degree they have recaptured the x factor with the ladder and magnification - especially magnification. So there is a gap in my knowledge ( and my collection) between Drama and the ladder -have I missed much?
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:31 |
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I haven't heard too much of the newer stuff, but I remember liking Mind Drive when they played it live in 2004 so I can't really say.
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longliveyes
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:36 |
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Wakeman is spent on ideas but still a great player I feel Howe still has something to offer if Anderson would let him. Bring in Steve Wilson to produce them, a great album would come of it.
Edited by longliveyes - January 14 2008 at 15:49
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longliveyes
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:41 |
He dominates the Magnification Album with oversinging from start to finish
Edited by longliveyes - January 14 2008 at 15:50
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longliveyes
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 15:51 |
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 17:08 |
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Anderson sounds better now than he did on Yes' first album in my opinion--the man is one of those rare vocalists that really hasn't lost much over the years, like Steve Winwood.
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kiwi
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Posted: January 14 2008 at 17:14 |
Flucktrot wrote:
Anderson sounds better now than he did on Yes' first album in my opinion--the man is one of those rare vocalists that really hasn't lost much over the years, like Steve Winwood.
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I agree totally. His live performance on Symphonic Live is stunning - and the live harmonies from the others are very impressive. I understand Chris Squire is the vocal arranger.
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