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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 07:11
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The 80s were a shoddy decade for sci-fi. Good stuff like Aliens and Blade Runner were often out shined by movies that only yell "80s!!!!!" like Dune, for example.


It's a real shame about Dune - I remember liking it when it was released (except Sting's character, which they decided to portray as a homo-erotic cyberpunk), but it doesn't bear re-watching in my opinion, as it's dated so badly. I'd recommend a re-make, but the problem you have with Dune, which is such a complex book/mythology, is what to leave in & what to excise from the original...

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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 07:32
Well I liked Krull, even if it was a bit... '80s.  No mindblowing storyline, but it was enjoyable and it features the great Bernard Bresslaw as the Cyclops.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 07:58
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

An interesting movie no-one mentioned so far and the only Science Fiction movie my Dad likes is "Soylent Green", starring Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson.
 
I mentioned it in my list...great movie.


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Points: 10261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 08:05
There are some SF-books I wold like to see a movie made of, especially by Stanislaw Lem. One is his "Memoirs found in a Bathtub". According to what Lem said in an interview of his, a German TV-team made a movie of it, but I have never seen it; it is not listed in the International Movie Database either. Lem didn't like the movie; he said it was a lot of crap.
Another book of Lem which I can imagine as a movie is "Eden".


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As far as genre goes, nobody has expressed much love/hate for the subgerens of sci fi...

What do you think of... Cyberpunk?

There... that should bring back some discussion
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Originally posted by el b�thy el b�thy wrote:

As far as genre goes, nobody has expressed much love/hate for the subgerens of sci fi...

What do you think of... Cyberpunk?

There... that should bring back some discussion

Cyberpunk is my personal favorite. The Matrix, Blade Runner, Minority Report, and Robocop are some of my favorite films. I find that it's generally the most thought-provoking of sci-fi subgenres. Films like 2001 are the exception, but for the most part philosophy is found here.
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2001: a space odyssey   is my favorite movie.     ITS AWESOME!!
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I've not seen it in ages, but Demolition Man wasn't that bad, even if it did have Sly Stallone in it.
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^ Not to mention Rob Schnieder.
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 20:42
Or Sandra Bullock...

Hmm, with different actors in it, it could have been a whole different kettle of Zeuhl.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

^ Not to mention Rob Schnieder.
 
I thought he was in Judge Dredd with Stallone.
 
Now there is a movie that they absolutely RUINED.I LOVE Judge Dredd comics and couldn't wait for that movie and it was horrendous.


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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2008 at 22:09
He was, Jody, but he also appeared in Demolition Man uncredited, apparently.
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I don't quite know what is meant by "Cyberpunk". from the mentioning of  movies by 1800iareyay it looks as if all movies in which androids appear fall under "Cyberpunk". I can certainly see the "Cyber" element there, but where please is the "punk" in those movies?

Edited by BaldJean - January 12 2008 at 09:36


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't quite know what is meant by "Cyberpunk". from the mentioning of  movies by 1800iareyay it looks as if all movies in which androids appear fall under "Cyberpunk". I can certainly see the "Cyber" element there, but where please is the "punk" in those movies?

Cyberpunk are the types of movies that are baes in a grim, sometimes near or post apocaliptic future where technology si constatly in your face and has changed the way human interact. Emotions become more and more strange as humans become more and more robotics. Usually the world is dominated by big corporations and the heroe is the outcast (usually a hacker).

A good example in movies is Blade Runner and in literature the Neuromander by William Gibson, which is rumored its being finally made to a movie, directed by Chris Cunningham
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Originally posted by el b�thy el b�thy wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't quite know what is meant by "Cyberpunk". from the mentioning of  movies by 1800iareyay it looks as if all movies in which androids appear fall under "Cyberpunk". I can certainly see the "Cyber" element there, but where please is the "punk" in those movies?

Cyberpunk are the types of movies that are baes in a grim, sometimes near or post apocaliptic future where technology si constatly in your face and has changed the way human interact. Emotions become more and more strange as humans become more and more robotics. Usually the world is dominated by big corporations and the heroe is the outcast (usually a hacker).

A good example in movies is Blade Runner and in literature the Neuromander by William Gibson, which is rumored its being finally made to a movie, directed by Chris Cunningham

that description would make "Metropolis" by Fritz Lang the first cyberpunk movie Confused


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i'm suspicious of the term too

it makes action movies like Johnny Mnemonic cyberpunk too ;P


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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 12:53
Originally posted by bizarro laplace bizarro laplace wrote:

i'm suspicious of the term too

it makes action movies like Johnny Mnemonic cyberpunk too ;P
 
Johnny Mnemonic was based on a William Gibson story,and Gibson is the father of Cyberpunk.
 
For people that want to know more about this extremely interesting genre:
 


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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 13:20
I just read the Wikipedia article about Cyberpunk and found the following sentence:

   The police station of Blade Runner is the perfect copy (angle of sight included) of one of  the         gothic skyscrapers of Fritz Lang's Metropolis, the earliest cyberpunk reference.

So my assessment of Metropolis seems to be correct. Confused


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This "Cyberpunk" label seems to me pretty much like "Alter Wein in neuen Schläuchen" ("old wine in new skins"), meaning it is nothing but a marketing label. These kind of dystopian scenarios have been around a long time before Gibson and his Neuromancer (which is very overrated as a book, by the way; I read it and did not find it remarkable at all). Stanislaw Lem preceded him by a decade at least. Philip K. Dick was ahead of him too.


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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 16:08
You also have Yvgeny Zamyatin's We, lots of H.G. Wells stories, as well as Huxley's Brave New World which took ideas (or shares similarities to) from:

Wells's Men Like Gods (1921) and The Sleeper Awakes (1910 - a rewrite of When the Sleeper Wakes (1899))
Zamyatin's We (1921) (which apparently Huxley hadn't read when he wrote Brave New World)
D.H. Lawrence
Plus it apparently bears a similarity to philosopher Bertrand Russell's The Scientific Outlook (1931).
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