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    Posted: January 08 2008 at 12:59
Let´s talk about a genr ein movies which I think many of us Progheads like very much: Meg Ryan movies... oh no, excuse me, Science fiction movies.

What´s your favorite movie? What do you generally think of this genre? Is it just an excuse for making adventurous movies in outer space or do you think there are actually intelligent movies made under this cathegory? Which type of science fiction movies do you prefer, Cyberpunk (Blade runner), Outerspace (Star Wars), philosophical (2001: A space odyssey), monster movies (Godzilla)...etc...? And what ever yoy would like to add!

Personally, I think science fiction is quite like metal, for it has some of the best movies ever made (Solaris, A clockwork Orange) just as metal (Opeth, Tool, Metallica (old Metallica)) but in general the genre is full of special effects, non plot dirven sh*t (Battlefield earth, Godzilla meats your momma...etc) just as most metal (Glam metal, most of Power metal (sorry), Nü metal...etc). But, as I said mefore, some of the very best movies ever made fall under this genre.

As for my favorite movie, I have said it many times, 2001: A space odyssey, it´not only my favorite movie in the genre, but in general. Other movies I like very much: The Fountain, A clockwork Orange, the first two X-men movies, the first Matrix (woooow how original!) and the three original Star Wars (specially The Empire strikes back) among others...
Generally I like the more deep, philosophical films, although there are many, specially the ones that are set in the future, that could even be considered as Film Noir´s that are very effective also.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 13:13
Although I love to read science fiction books, I'm rarely so excited about the films. Gattaca was very good, though, and I suppose I do like the philosophical side of the medium.

(Star Maker's my favourite science fiction book thus far.)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 14:42
I love all the greats.. Fantastic Voyage (so good they still haven't remade it), War of the Worlds (the original of course), Time Machine, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the first one and the remake with Donald Sutherland is excellent), and the mother of modern sci-fi cinema Forbidden Planet.. also Jason and the Argonauts and the other Harryhausen ones, and all the Alien movies are great


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 14:53
I do enjoy Sci-fi movies Blade Runner (final cut) Alien, Aliens, Serenity, X-Men 2, Pitch Black and 2001: A SPace Odyssey being stunning movies. However, I've seen too much trash in this genre, the worst probably being Starship Troopers 2 (as if the first wasnt bad enough). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:01
My favourite movie of all freakin`time is Eraserhead. Genius. My Godzilla collection drives everyone nuts as well. Creature From the Black Lagoon, Frankenstein, 1,000,Years BC all great ! I won`t watch anything with modern special effects although the first Terminator movie was great. Bores me to Tears. Ed Wood Rules ! Can`t stand remakes either. I also love the original StarTrek series.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:08
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Starship Troopers 2

Please tell me you made that one up. Dead
#1 did such a disservice to the Yes song.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:22
"Welt am Draht" ("World on Wire") by Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Basically the same idea as "The Matrix", only about 30 years earlier, without all those FX, but a much better movie.
Another good one:
"Phase IV", a movie about ants that have become intelligent and two scientists who try to study them. After a while you start asking who is being studied though, the ants or the scientists?
"Silent Running", a movie about the last forests, which sadly no longer exist on earth but in space.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:27
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I also love the original StarTrek series.


have you caught any of the new ones with the added footage and effects?  they're really well-done, very tasteful and lovingly restored.. they're not available on disc yet as far as I know (usually shown on CW network) but well worth it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:27
I love reading good sci-fi/dystopian novels, but don't generally care for the movies, to be honest. There's usually too much flash and not enough substance to impress me. On the other hand, some of the best movies ever made are directly or undirectly related to sci-fi, imo. I like your (el böthy) list, our tastes are rather similar, it seems! Thumbs%20Up Don't have much to add right now, except that every Philip K. Dick fan should see A Scanner Darkly.

Thanks for the tips Baldfriede, haven't seen any of those! Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 15:37
Here a few comments about "Welt am Draht" from IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070904/usercomments

The movie has an average rating of 8.4 of 10, which is pretty high.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 16:40
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Starship Troopers 2

Please tell me you made that one up. Dead
#1 did such a disservice to the Yes song.

No, I'm not, and the first did a diservice to Heinleins original (the songs not that good either).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 16:45
"Der Schwarm" by Frank Schätzing, an interesting SF book which even Stanislaw Lem might have liked (he was very critical about most SF), is supposed to come out as a movie this year. Unfortunately the rights are with some Hollywood company. But the book is ideal for making an SF movie of it, and Hollywood won't even have to change the story a bit, in my opinion; it reads as if it is just waiting to be filmed. Lots of great scenes in it, even a lot of action too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2008 at 21:56
The last great Sci-Fi film I saw was Children of Men, but I've not read the original book by P.D. James, which apparently is also very good.

I thought the Tom Cruise War of the Worlds was abysmal, Hollywood seem to ruin things nowadays.

Oh and the original Day of the Triffids was excellent too.

I tend to also like dystopian and/or intelligent sci-fi.  I don't like Space Operas that much to be honest.

I am still waiting to see some of the film adaptations of some Kurt Vonnegut books, I believe there is some.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 09:19
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

I do enjoy Sci-fi movies Blade Runner (final cut) Alien, Aliens, Serenity, X-Men 2, Pitch Black and 2001: A SPace Odyssey being stunning movies. However, I've seen too much trash in this genre, the worst probably being Starship Troopers 2 (as if the first wasnt bad enough). 
 
I think Blade Runner is one of the three movies that all sci fi fan has to be as al time favorite. I also agree with Alien (I like the four and even Alien vs Predator), the X-Men saga is good too and Pitch Black is really interesting. It's so sad what the mainstream did with The Chronicles of Riddick but... overall that's Hollywood and yo can't excpect any creativity... Kubrick's Clockwork Orange and 2001 are amazing... Concerning Starship Troopers (the first), the movie is based on an Robert Heinlein book with the same name. The book is wonderful but Verhoeven's movie is... really bad... The book is full of military and dictatorial references and shows the stupidity of a society that thinks the military way is the right way...
 
Concerning Blade Runner, is amazing how may movies were made based on Philip Dick stories: Besides Blade Runner, Hollywood made (sometimes with luck and sometimes with horrible results): Total Recall (another Schwarzzeneger hero stuff movie), Minority Report (good movie), Paycheck (just regular) and Impostor (the most underrated!)...
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 09:43
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I also love the original StarTrek series.


have you caught any of the new ones with the added footage and effects?  they're really well-done, very tasteful and lovingly restored.. they're not available on disc yet as far as I know (usually shown on CW network) but well worth it



Well, the first Star Trek movie was rather boring. Was it really necessary to do a camera trip of about half an hour through the new Enterprise? Yawn...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 11:05
A few days ago I saw Gattaca. I find it good, but I has really hoping for more. I wanted to see a masterpiece of cinema, as some have coined it (I even remember one forum member, don´t know who, hails it as his favorite movie ever) but it faild a little to my expectations. I think I liked what surrounded the story (the genetical manipulation, racism, the whole having to get rid of the extra skin was really cleaver). Maybe I misjudge the movie, as I was told it was more in a Cyberpunk kind of way, but to be honest, with the exception of genetic manipulation and space travelling, there is not much "future" in it. But, on second thought, it´s cool to see a kind of retro future.

I guess I give the movie an 7.5 out of 10


You know, I can´t believe Im saying this, but the movie with Arnold "the Governator" the 6th day, apart from some action scenes that don´t do much to the story is quite a good movie. I´m a little ashamed of saying this, but I really do think that the story and argument is rather good!

Also, another good Sci fi movie, not very deep, but very entertaining is the 5th element. don´t you agree?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 11:34
Not bad for a box office hit, but when it comes to that I prefer "Twelve Monkeys". A movie in which you have to watch out for the details down to the very last scene if you want it to make sense.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 11:40

Well, I'm a huge scifi fan, so here are my favorites.

The aforementioned movies based on Philip K. Dick's writing, esp. Blade Runner, Total Recall and Minority Report. 
 
The even-numbered Star Trek movies: I, V and IX all sucked.  III and VII were ok but not as good as any of the even-numbered movies. 
 
If counting the Star Wars movies as scifi (I consider them to be more fantasy related than scifi), I love episodes II, III and V (III being my favorite movie ever of any genre).
 
I also like some of the old cheesy scifi movies, like Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, the original Time Machine, and all five (yes, I said all five!) of the Planet of the Apes movies.  I even liked Godzilla vs. Your Momma. 
 
Also, there are some great movies which use science fiction plot devices like Butterfly Effect (time travel) and Vanilla Sky (cryo-freeze). 
 
Some others: Logan's Run, Deep Impact, The X-Men trilogy, The Spiderman trilogy, The Terminator trilogy and The Langoliers (ok, that one's a miniseries). 
 
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 11:47
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Well, I'm a huge scifi fan, so here are my favorites.

The aforementioned movies based on Philip K. Dick's writing, esp. Blade Runner, Total Recall and Minority Report. 
 
The even-numbered Star Trek movies: I, V and IX all sucked.  III and VII were ok but not as good as any of the even-numbered movies. 
 
If counting the Star Wars movies as scifi (I consider them to be more fantasy related than scifi), I love episodes II, III and V (III being my favorite movie ever of any genre).
 
I also like some of the old cheesy scifi movies, like Forbidden Planet, When Worlds Collide, the original Time Machine, and all five (yes, I said all five!) of the Planet of the Apes movies.  I even liked Godzilla vs. Your Momma. 
 
Also, there are some great movies which use science fiction plot devices like Butterfly Effect (time travel) and Vanilla Sky (cryo-freeze). 
 
Some others: Logan's Run, Deep Impact, The X-Men trilogy, The Spiderman trilogy, The Terminator trilogy and The Langoliers (ok, that one's a miniseries). 
 
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. 

well, first of all: I, V and IX are uneven numbers. and then you seem to contradict yourself; just look at the marked passages


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2008 at 12:33
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

"Silent Running", a movie about the last forests, which sadly no longer exist on earth but in space.


Good choice - one of my favorite movies:



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