David Bowie for eclettic Prog

Serious discussion is David Bowie an artist foe Eclettic prog?

discussed quite a bit for ProgRelated, Crossover, etc.  ..some progress was made but don't hold your breath

 





Edited by Atavachron - December 27 2007 at 18:29

Ely78 wrote: Serious discussion is David Bowie an artist foe Eclettic prog?   Today that has been created "Eclettic Prog" PA is clear that David Bowie should get involved. Spoken only have read many articles and heard "Space Oddity" and other songs. But I don't think I am wrong. What do you think?

the same as we have for the last year and a half.... use the damned search function and you'll find tons of threads about Bowie for inclusion.

He has been discussed.... numerous times.....

micky wrote: Ely78 wrote: Serious discussion is David Bowie an artist foe Eclettic prog?   Today that has been created "Eclettic Prog" PA is clear that David Bowie should get involved. Spoken only have read many articles and heard "Space Oddity" and other songs. But I don't think I am wrong. What do you think? the same as we have for the last year and a half.... use the damned search function and you'll find tons of threads about Bowie for inclusion. He has been discussed.... numerous times.....

I remember listening to Bowie's music since the times of Art Rock, out of micky's personal request (but surely, out of someone's request also).

Musically, I got flat out by Bowie's music during the mid-70s, it told me nothing, and I didn't find it progressive.

Sure, there's the bit of flame in the debut and the early stuff (up to Ziggy Stardust or what's that record's name), and perhaps I didn't manage to get to the late trilogy of albums (which I've seen mentioned, several times, as Bowie's best to listen music).

But, ideally, I found no traces of pure progressive music in Bowie.

Of course, back then it was Art Rock, and even then (since we already had sketches drawn for the new genres) did I thought "no higher than Crossover, if really to be added".

Right now, given Eclectic Prog, my answer is a definite no. Perhaps Ely is thinking that Bowie did a lot of music, of different sorts, in his entire and wonderful career. But what's forgotten is the pure prog quality of a genre like Eclectic Prog. A quality that's present in almost every big/different/strong genre of this site.

Mandrakeroot wrote: Ricochet wrote: I remember listening to Bowie's music since the times of Art Rock, out of micky's personal request (but surely, out of someone's request also). Musically, I got flat out by Bowie's music during the mid-70s, it told me nothing, and I didn't find it progressive. Sure, there's the bit of flame in the debut and the early stuff (up to Ziggy Stardust or what's that record's name), and perhaps I didn't manage to get to the late trilogy of albums (which I've seen mentioned, several times, as Bowie's best to listen music). But, ideally, I found no traces of pure progressive music in Bowie. Of course, back then it was Art Rock, and even then (since we already had sketches drawn for the new genres) did I thought "no higher than Crossover, if really to be added". Right now, given Eclectic Prog, my answer is a definite no. Perhaps Ely is thinking that Bowie did a lot of music, of different sorts, in his entire and wonderful career. But what's forgotten is the pure prog quality of a genre like Eclectic Prog. A quality that's present in almost every big/different/strong genre of this site.   Indeed back on the issue DAVID BOWIE is very heavy. I believe the problem should be shifted on what was the Prog in the 70's as musical style, way of thinking music etc ... And this is not easy. Not within the substance of the matter because I do not have such deep knowledge. Certainly, however, Bowie has produced albums 100% Prog ... But those in the 70's albums have produced 100% Prog? Here are examples: Judas Priest, Saxon, UFO, Mountains And it is only the first that I have come to mind.   Certainly disregard "space Oddity" from Prog is a heresy. It is also true that subsequently Bowie has experienced different styles of music, something easy for a solo artist. Even far from Prog.   Certainly for artists such as Bowie would just create a new category because there are just too many solo artists (uhm... also bands) who have produced excellent Prog albums but were subsequently recycled cleverly (and often with conviction) in other musical genres. And, in my modest opinion, PR is not a category for them.

darqdean wrote:   I agree with Rico - making lots of albums in different styles is not Eclectic.

No, no, not to mistake. Making lots of albums in different styles is Eclectic. But only if also pure progressive.
 
(And my special feeling about Eclectic is that most bands have, usually, something artistic in their eclecticism too. )

Sorry for replying only to this part.

Let's see here, from space folk to artsy glam rock, more experimental/theatrical rock, Avant-pop/rock/ambient, 80's garbage, and now at Avant/progressiveish electronic music. That's an awful lot of progress there.

But then again, the whole "Is it progress or adaptation?" argument comes into play and that's where I say "Why can't it be both?" Anyway, I love "Space Oddity" and his late-70's and 90's- work. His inclusion here would be nice, but ultimately doesn't matter.

ghost_of_morphy wrote: I don't think that eclectic prog is where Bowie should land.

I don't think anyone does   He doesn't fit eclectic, as defined here,  at all.  Xover though.. it is another matter... and has been quietly under evaluation by the Xover team for some months now..if we decide to add, we will... if not... we'll suggest for PR.  He belongs here.. .the question is...what fits him best.