I am upset. Here's why (progressive elitism):

fairy snuff.

Shakespeare wrote: Elderscrollsfan wrote: Yeah, f**k elitism, seriously.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or, in this case, ear), 'nuff said. DON'T EVER SAY 'NUFF SAID!!!!

PSHHHHH! He can say what he wants, 'nuff said!


Edited by Teh_Slippermenz - December 12 2007 at 01:53

Id take it right back to square one.

I listen to what I like, and couldnt give a rats what other people listen to. People can say what they want about the music I listen to, but at the end of the day Ill always have my CD collection and them theirs...

I wouldnt be arrogant enough to tell someone else what they should be listening to or whats 'wrong' with the music they like.

stonebeard wrote: (Edit: Don't think I'm singling out RIO/Avant-prog fans in general now. I revised my ideas to simply "Obscure music fans on the offensive"  because it is more inclusive of the attitude I'm railing agaisnt and it's less confrontational, I think.)     RIO/Avant prog fans on the Offensive..... ......Metal (Dream Theater fans in particular) on the Defensive. Some people may be offended by my post. Oh well. I'm offended by the actions of some forum members..... Every so often (usually with the release of a new Dream Theater CD) a newbie to the forums will come along and start a Dream Theater thread with entirely innocent and optimistic intentions (I assume, since it seems this way to me). This person, and Dream Theater, will be harassed and made fun of at length throughout this thread for simply starting the topic. Why? Because some prog fans view Dream Theater (and a lot of Prog Metal and Neo-Prog) as "introductory prog"--one's first exposure to prog music that's to be thrown away as soon as one discovers "better prog." Most proggers, I think, are elitist in a variety of ways, usually to mainstream music. However, it's no rare breed of prog fan that's elitist within the realm of prog music. Now, I know prog fans revel in liking music that few other people do (relatively speaking), and I think this feeling becomes more pronounced when the prog fan starts to listen to more and more obscure music. (By the way, I feel this way myself at times, so I'm extrapolating to a wider theme here). This feeling may be kept inside, or it might be made public, to the point of outspoken jabs and "point-and-snicker" sorts of actions. I find that the worst offenders tend to be hardcore fans of a genre that is both obscure in relation the prog as a whole yet with a wide enough following to incite me to make this topic: RIO/Avant-Prog. This is not to say all RIO/Avant prog fans are like this, but I see this tendency often in this group. Now, I know that a lot of hardcore prog-metal fans are CONSTANTLY on the defensive against elitism, bias, and misconception on this site. The level of this rises and falls from time to time, but I'm noticing it more frequently recently than a few months ago. perhaps this is because of a controversial addition or two...  Anyway, I think this elitism leads to a feeling of inferiority (if not countered by active thinking by the prog metal fan) and the need to constantly justify one's musical taste, whereas perhaps the RIO/Avant fan doesn't seek approval or justification from anyone. Unless we make a conscientious effort to not do this, I'm afraid it is our natural state to do so, as prog fans. I do not think I am not elitist. I said that I am, but I don't think I am as much as other prog fans can be. More importantly, I don't think I am elitist enough to make my posts stink of elitism to the average forum member. maybe I'm wrong, though. If I am, please make another topic about how this topic made you think I'm an even bigger offender than you. By the way, this is more of a rant than a coherent topic, so if you find anything worth responding to, then a couple of clappies for you:

I have to say I agree with most everything. I gathered pretty quickly the "elitist" feeling youre referring to. Im going to read some of the comments now, because I expect you to be totally shredded now.

Damo wrote: hahhaha.. the day you learn to do that.... you will be a true prog fan hahhaha Nooooo - A JAZZ fan!

hahhahahah...  oh you are good... the only fan WORSE than a prog fan hahahha. 

Garion81 wrote: micky wrote: Damo wrote: hahhaha.. the day you learn to do that.... you will be a true prog fan hahhaha Nooooo - A JAZZ fan! hahhahahah...  oh you are good... the only fan WORSE than a prog fan hahahha.  Um Hello!?! Classical music Fan is the most obnoxious and arrogant of ANY music fan.  (Their noses are naturally turned up)

oh no.Brian ...  they are SO out there... they don't even BOTHER to look down upon us  to tell us what we  should be listening to, or what is wrong with our music. 

Logan wrote: micky wrote: Garion81 wrote: micky wrote: Damo wrote: hahhaha.. the day you learn to do that.... you will be a true prog fan hahhaha Nooooo - A JAZZ fan! hahhahahah...  oh you are good... the only fan WORSE than a prog fan hahahha.  Um Hello!?! Classical music Fan is the most obnoxious and arrogant of ANY music fan.  (Their noses are naturally turned up)     oh no.Brian ...  they are SO out there... they don't even BOTHER to look down upon us  to tell us what we  should be listening to, or what is wrong with our music.  But I am a classical music fan, and here I am slumming it with you guys.

same here.... probably has something to do with having  a wad of 100's up your ass AND liking classical


Edited by micky - December 12 2007 at 18:39

Logan wrote: micky wrote: Logan wrote: micky wrote: Garion81 wrote: micky wrote: Damo wrote: hahhaha.. the day you learn to do that.... you will be a true prog fan hahhaha Nooooo - A JAZZ fan! hahhahahah...  oh you are good... the only fan WORSE than a prog fan hahahha.  Um Hello!?! Classical music Fan is the most obnoxious and arrogant of ANY music fan.  (Their noses are naturally turned up)     oh no.Brian ...  they are SO out there... they don't even BOTHER to look down upon us  to tell us what we  should be listening to, or what is wrong with our music.  But I am a classical music fan, and here I am slumming it with you guys. same here.... probably has something to do with having  a wad of 100's up your ass AND liking classical There is the classical music fancier, but then there's the classical music fanatic.  I fancy classical music a lot, but am not fanatical about it.

me either I love classical but not fanatic.. then again.... I wouldn't even say I'm fanatical about prog either... I love it... but just as happy sitting back digging a Willie Nelson album, or Marvin Gaye...which I am as I type for what it's worth.

Logan wrote: micky wrote: Logan wrote: micky wrote: Logan wrote: micky wrote: Garion81 wrote: micky wrote: Damo wrote: hahhaha.. the day you learn to do that.... you will be a true prog fan hahhaha Nooooo - A JAZZ fan! hahhahahah...  oh you are good... the only fan WORSE than a prog fan hahahha.  Um Hello!?! Classical music Fan is the most obnoxious and arrogant of ANY music fan.  (Their noses are naturally turned up)     oh no.Brian ...  they are SO out there... they don't even BOTHER to look down upon us  to tell us what we  should be listening to, or what is wrong with our music.  But I am a classical music fan, and here I am slumming it with you guys. same here.... probably has something to do with having  a wad of 100's up your ass AND liking classical There is the classical music fancier, but then there's the classical music fanatic.  I fancy classical music a lot, but am not fanatical about it. me either I love classical but not fanatic.. then again.... I wouldn't even say I'm fanatical about prog either... I love it... but just as happy sitting back digging a Willie Nelson album, or Marvin Gaye...which I am as I type for what it's worth. Me too, heck, I enjoy Abba.  Now, following your lead, I'm going to put on some Simon & Garfunkle followed by some P-Funk with a little Tallis thrown in for good measure.

Just put on some Johnny Cash.. .aren't we the truely eclectic ones

*god I love quote pyramids*

hahhahahha... I'll pass on the dung pyramid... and think about getting my ass out of this chair and eating some dinner