I am upset. Here's why (progressive elitism):

Yontar wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: rileydog22 wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: Most obscure bands suck, think about it. People try to like it because it's obscure. I remember this thread about bands like Family and Flash and sh*t, and this guy was like, "Dood, Flash is better than Yes." and I'm like . Seriously sometimes I get elitist feelings toward the pseudoheads who purposefully listen to obscure music because of it's obscurity, even when it sucks. I'm like, dude, you forgot about good music. Damn fans of obscure music! How dare they have opinions that differ from King Crimson776? Everybody knows that obscure music is terrible! THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT!  Bad obscure music, like the mediocre 70's bands that wish they were Yes, that is, and all that Avant/RIO sh*t my case:1.avant music is rad if done well, in a semi-melodic way.2. dream theater are good, sometimes a tad overplayed, but they have some seriously good songs as well to make up for that. 3. not every prog band from that era wishes they were yes or king crimson....blah blah. some of them were just as unique as the originators. 4. elitism is a result of someone being a douche bag about other forms of music they don't like. We are all elitists in some way, because we all have certain opinions about music we don't like and the reasoning behind those reasons would offend someone with different opinions. elitism is just a natural process for anyone who takes music more seriously than the average joe. get over it.

Uh, no; elitism is when someone thinks of themselves as better than the fray. The people here at PA take music seriously and most aren't elitist.

About your whole speech there, see the little smiley with the tounge sticking out that I put after what I said? Really consider it for a while.

I think it's hard to be so into music as an art form as we are without becoming at least somewhat elitist. However, I feel elitist is also something that's outgrown. When we learn to accept more styles and understand someone's reasons for enjoying the ones we don't like we can overcome our elitism.

Not all styles are the same, but I think there's at least something likable to find in almost all of them (except rap/r&b/hip hop maybe).

King Crimson776 wrote: Yontar wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: rileydog22 wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: Most obscure bands suck, think about it. People try to like it because it's obscure. I remember this thread about bands like Family and Flash and sh*t, and this guy was like, "Dood, Flash is better than Yes." and I'm like . Seriously sometimes I get elitist feelings toward the pseudoheads who purposefully listen to obscure music because of it's obscurity, even when it sucks. I'm like, dude, you forgot about good music. Damn fans of obscure music! How dare they have opinions that differ from King Crimson776? Everybody knows that obscure music is terrible! THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT!  Bad obscure music, like the mediocre 70's bands that wish they were Yes, that is, and all that Avant/RIO sh*t my case:1.avant music is rad if done well, in a semi-melodic way.2. dream theater are good, sometimes a tad overplayed, but they have some seriously good songs as well to make up for that. 3. not every prog band from that era wishes they were yes or king crimson....blah blah. some of them were just as unique as the originators. 4. elitism is a result of someone being a douche bag about other forms of music they don't like. We are all elitists in some way, because we all have certain opinions about music we don't like and the reasoning behind those reasons would offend someone with different opinions. elitism is just a natural process for anyone who takes music more seriously than the average joe. get over it. Uh, no; elitism is when someone thinks of themselves as better than the fray. The people here at PA take music seriously and most aren't elitist. About your whole speech there, see the little smiley with the tounge sticking out that I put after what I said? Really consider it for a while.

Garnishing an insult with a "funny" smiley doesn't make the insult any less hurtful. Unless you made clear in many reviews and/or posts that you really have a different opinion nobody will believe that your post was meant to be a joke.

^ I wouldn't feel insulted by the post - I'm just saying that some people might, regardless of whether a smiley is added or not. And many people might not have read the previous exchange of messages.

I think that whenever you use sarcasm or irony you simply have to be careful to avoid misunderstandings ...

micky wrote: heyitsthatguy wrote: micky you never answered my question  woe is me about a week ago oh man... sorry... have been away for a few days.. Opeth - Ghost Reveries.... so good... that even Cert gave it 3 stars

Really? I like Blackwater Park more, although Ghost Reveries would get a 4.0 out of me on a good day. Everyone here will tell you that Still Life is better though




oh and back on topic, all non prog music sucks
that should get everyone talking even if I may or may not agree with it

^ Hmm, I always read the  smilie as "I'm right, you're wrong so :rasp::"

Ghandi 2 wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: What I mean by the tounge smiley is that I have that opinion but I don't mean it so literally or in a hurtful way. It's like someone saying "bah, enough of this Avant RIO sh*t" if someone is overplaying it. Not all avantgarde stuff is bad, I just think alot of it is, so I said "all that Avant/RIO sh*t" without any seriousness at all. It carries the same weight as saying, "this is lame", and then grinning like a jackass about it. That's all. Besides, if someone dissed "all those crappy 90's bands that want to be Dream Theater" and, say, "all that Neo-Prog sh*t", no one would have said a damn thing. (annoying smiley) I doubt it, and it still makes you look like an idiot. The wink smiley is what is used when you're joking around.

Or this guy: (you know it's true) Or if you're being a real jackass: and then there's the ultamite jerk thing:

But yeah, judging on the band that you quoted you probably already think I'm a jackass so no hard feelings in the slightest, feel free to shyt all over the good music that I like, that's perfectly fine (the designated "joking around" smiley)

Edited by King Crimson776 - December 06 2007 at 22:02

   What we listen too, is influenced by so many different factors; your age, your location in the county you live in, if you had older siblings, (or parents for that matter), who exposed you to different music, school, friends, and on and on. Certain situations will also influence you; The music that was playing when you met your significant other, when you broke up, when you "did it", and so forth.
 Because of these different factors, it's hard for me to understand how anyone can feel superior (be an elitist), by the type of music/bands they listen too. It's sort of a "walk a mile in my shoes" sort of thing.
 I'm a huge Dream Theater fan. I took my son to his first concert which was Dream Theater. It was a great "bonding" time. I have some very good friends who don't care for them. They're still my friends. :) If you don't care for them, or find them tedious, or whatever, cool by me. You're not going to change my opinion about them. You're not going to hurt my feelings, or make me question my musical tastes. It is, what it is! Cause I'm sure there is stuff we both like. Or music that you're familiar with that I've never heard of, that I would probably like too.
 For me, it would be great if a lot of different progressive music would become popular. Then it would be a lot easier to find it in the stores, on the radio and what not. Certainly it would be nice if it broke the strangle hold that Rap, Hip Hop, Pretty Boy Bands, Blonde Bimbo Music and the like has on "popular" music these days. It would make "creative" music be a force once again (like we had in the late 60's and 70's until Disco destroyed everything).

/Rambling Off/

MikeEnRegalia wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: Yontar wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: rileydog22 wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: Most obscure bands suck, think about it. People try to like it because it's obscure. I remember this thread about bands like Family and Flash and sh*t, and this guy was like, "Dood, Flash is better than Yes." and I'm like . Seriously sometimes I get elitist feelings toward the pseudoheads who purposefully listen to obscure music because of it's obscurity, even when it sucks. I'm like, dude, you forgot about good music. Damn fans of obscure music! How dare they have opinions that differ from King Crimson776? Everybody knows that obscure music is terrible! THEY'RE ALL FAKING IT!  Bad obscure music, like the mediocre 70's bands that wish they were Yes, that is, and all that Avant/RIO sh*t my case:1.avant music is rad if done well, in a semi-melodic way.2. dream theater are good, sometimes a tad overplayed, but they have some seriously good songs as well to make up for that. 3. not every prog band from that era wishes they were yes or king crimson....blah blah. some of them were just as unique as the originators. 4. elitism is a result of someone being a douche bag about other forms of music they don't like. We are all elitists in some way, because we all have certain opinions about music we don't like and the reasoning behind those reasons would offend someone with different opinions. elitism is just a natural process for anyone who takes music more seriously than the average joe. get over it. Uh, no; elitism is when someone thinks of themselves as better than the fray. The people here at PA take music seriously and most aren't elitist. About your whole speech there, see the little smiley with the tounge sticking out that I put after what I said? Really consider it for a while. Garnishing an insult with a "funny" smiley doesn't make the insult any less hurtful. Unless you made clear in many reviews and/or posts that you really have a different opinion nobody will believe that your post was meant to be a joke.

I'm still amazed that somebody was able to work the word "rad" into a PA post.

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Elderscrollsfan wrote: Yeah, f**k elitism, seriously.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or, in this case, ear), 'nuff said.

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