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Jared 
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 Posted: December 05 2007 at 07:19 |
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Israel isn't either. But considering their qualification to the World Championship in 1970 which they made from the Oceania zone (if I'm not mistaken) (exact placing, by the way...) Europe is closer to them... |
I think there is an extremely good case for Israel to be in the European groups....and I need hardly to explain why....
can you imagine the security implications if they found themselves in a qualifying group with Iran, Syria, Jordan and The Lebanon?? 
I still maintain that Kazakhstan is an odd choice for European inclusion, though.... 
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 07:23 |
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I was rather upset by this very strange way to combine the teams, having so many contenders for the title together in the early stages.
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It comes of allowing two footballing lightweights to co-host the competition, thereby making them both 'top seeds'.... 
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 08:00 |
fandango wrote:
Fassbinder wrote:
Israel isn't either. But considering their qualification to the World Championship in 1970 which they made from the Oceania zone (if I'm not mistaken) (exact placing, by the way...) Europe is closer to them... |
I think there is an extremely good case for Israel to be in the European groups....and I need hardly to explain why....
can you imagine the security implications if they found themselves in a qualifying group with Iran, Syria, Jordan and The Lebanon??
I still maintain that Kazakhstan is an odd choice for European inclusion, though.... |
The reasons for not placing Israel in an Asian qualification zone are obvious.
I think that a case of Kazakhstan is also a political rather than a geographical one (though different from the case of Israel, of course).
Anyway, being a citizen of both countries in certain moments of my life, I'm pretty glad to see both in a European zone (more chances for me to see some European football)...
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 08:08 |
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I agree with both of you, the reasons are obviously political but there is sth obscure
behind both decisions... different in either case
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Jared
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 10:28 |
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I think that a case of Kazakhstan is also a political rather than a geographical one |
what is that, just as a matter of interest??
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 15:26 |
fandango wrote:
Fassbinder wrote:
I think that a case of Kazakhstan is also a political rather than a geographical one |
what is that, just as a matter of interest?? |
Just a caution before the answer -- all I'm going to say may be totally wrong. Hence my apologies in advance for anyone who may feel offended by this post. The post is not intended to be offensive by any means.
As far as I know, out of the five Asian former Soviet republics (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tadjikistan) Kazakhstan is more "Europe-oriented",so to say, for the moment. It is reflected in many aspects, and sports are one of them. I won't go for the possible causes for that, in order not to digress from the football thread (PMs or a separate thread may be helpful, if you are more interested).
Now for two purely football notes:
1. Objectively speaking, given the current level of European and Asian football, Kazakhstan has some luck to compete with stronger teams. On the other hand, being in European zone, they don't have many chances to qualify, unlike Uzbekistan. This leads me for the point 2:
2. It's a shame that the country with such a strong football tradition as Uzbekistan is (the Tashkent "Pakhtakor" team was in time one of the strongest teams in the USSR championships -- all that was ruined by the terrible air-crash in 1979  ... well, that's another story...) has so little exposure (for Europeans, at least).
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 15:36 |
^^^no, I've not heard of 'Pakhtakot', and that's an interesting point you raise... are there any footbball sides in the first flight of Russian domestic football, which are clearly in Asia (say, in Novosibirsk for instance), and therefore are not qualified to play in champions league or UEFA football, should they 'qualify'?? If so, wouldn't that penalise them financially within their own league system, purely on the grounds of geography??
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 15:47 |
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I don't follow the Russian championships, but I think there are no strong teams in the Asian part of Russia. If, however, such a team takes a place that leads to the European competition it'll play despite its geographical placement (compare with Turkey which only partly situated in Europe (Istanbul), but a team from Ankara, say, will play in a European cup as well).
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 16:05 |
In the year 1979 Pakhtakor Tashkent was among the main candidates to take the championship. In the middle of the season, however, the whole team got killed after the horrible air-crash, involving two big passenger planes, where actually all the people got killed.
Literally every team from the premier USSR league delegated a player or two to complete Pakhtakor, in order to finish the championships. Needless to say, they haven't taken any medal at that year. The team was allowed not to be relegated to the lower league even in case it takes one of the last two places in the league, for three consecutive years. But the high level of the lost team was never achieved since then... 
Edited by Fassbinder - December 05 2007 at 16:06
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 18:24 |
You know what? There's going to be one team from the Islands taking part in the European Championships... 
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 18:32 |
Romario got a positive doping test...
Being him with more than 40 it's natural to use a hair-raise product. What a joke!  |
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Posted: December 05 2007 at 19:20 |
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^ yeah I read about that, really silly
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 07:59 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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aapatsos
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 10:03 |
^ explain yourself  
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 10:13 |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 10:45 |
^ they are indeed! I've been living in London for 3 months now and have seen many Polski stores around... (there is also one type of Polski bread I enjoy...reminds me of home, yummy   )
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 10:46 |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Posted: December 07 2007 at 10:52 |
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 13:16 |
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Congratulations to Middlesbrough for beating Arsenal.
What a week for Arsenal; a big test of their character and they fall flat on their faces.
Edited by Logos - December 09 2007 at 13:17
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Posted: December 09 2007 at 15:53 |
Kuddos to Middlesbrough!!!!  ...would be  to see Arsenal winning the cup... 
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