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    Posted: December 03 2007 at 00:03

a couple of my latest tunes.
http://signalmusic.net/
let me know if you cannot hear them or if they fail to load successfully.

1. these particular ones are not in final production, but i wanted to get some input from you guys anyway.

2. as you can see, these are not titled yet...if you've got any ideas...well Big%20smile

3. "song 1" is about 7:44 and has 4 parts so hopefully you have a fast connection.
"song 2" is in 3/4 time is a gentle number with lots of mellotron.

hope you like them. 
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p.s. - i am trying to create progressive music here, nothing else but that.  i think these have a "prog feel" to them.  let me know if you think otherwise.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 05:49
Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


a couple of my latest tunes.
http://signalmusic.net/
let me know if you cannot hear them or if they fail to load successfully.

1. these particular ones are not in final production, but i wanted to get some input from you guys anyway.

2. as you can see, these are not titled yet...if you've got any ideas...well Big%20smile

3. "song 1" is about 7:44 and has 4 parts so hopefully you have a fast connection.
"song 2" is in 3/4 time is a gentle number with lots of mellotron.

hope you like them. 
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The first  two links aren't working, but the Q ones are fine.

As for the unfinished ideas, they're great! Exactly what I'm looking for in prog. Actually, they're somewhat similar to my  way of  thinking.

Great Mellotron + Classical Guitar!

Even the awful midi piano sounds good because of the melody!

Keep it up!!

Any name of the project? Posting in some other section?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 09:29
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


a couple of my latest tunes.
http://signalmusic.net/
let me know if you cannot hear them or if they fail to load successfully.

1. these particular ones are not in final production, but i wanted to get some input from you guys anyway.

2. as you can see, these are not titled yet...if you've got any ideas...well Big%20smile

3. "song 1" is about 7:44 and has 4 parts so hopefully you have a fast connection.
"song 2" is in 3/4 time is a gentle number with lots of mellotron.

hope you like them. 
Wink


The first  two links aren't working, but the Q ones are fine.

As for the unfinished ideas, they're great! Exactly what I'm looking for in prog. Actually, they're somewhat similar to my  way of  thinking.

Great Mellotron + Classical Guitar!

Even the awful midi piano sounds good because of the melody!

Keep it up!!

Any name of the project? Posting in some other section?


thank you very much for these comments + input.  Wink
no, i don't have permanent names for these tunes yet...
bad links are fixed.

i'll see what i can do with the MIDI piano LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 09:45
I liked what I heard. I liked the melodies, the execution, the sound and atmosphere (well conveyed), tha variety of sounds you introduce with the different instruments.
I think percussions will greatly add to it when you can do it, although to me it sounded great as it is now.
The first track reminded me a bit of the Beatles and some other bands which right now I can't really put my finger on...
 
Is your other music in the same spirit and pace? I'd love to hear more energetic music that you have as well.
 
Possible track names (solely based on the first images that came to my mind while listening):
First track - In The Open; Leaving The City; Released
Second track - Now that we're apart....
 
Good luck with your music and I'd love to hear more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 11:23

on "Song 1" what do you think of the explosion at the 1:29 time mark .  Is it a stupid idea or leave it ?

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Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


on "Song 1" what do you think of the explosion at the 1:29 time mark .  Is it a stupid idea or leave it ?

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I think it's fine the way it is, a nice passage to another part. You could change or improve the quality of the explosion sound itself, but I find the idea in itself to be good.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 11:58
The Music Academy - nice spacey start, relaxing and beautiful. But I think it goes on for too long with the guitar solo, it's for me, getting a bit lost and the switch to that other part could come sooner or maybe add there more instrumentation in that intro alongside or after the guitar solo (leave the solo but cut it shorter). I was expecting a sort of speeding up at the end of that part and the switch lead to a nice part, but I feel as if there is much potential unfulfilled here. You can certainly develop it to what way you in that.
 
 
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Song 3 - starting grandiose (can be made into very majestic or pompous, depending on how you edit or instrument it). Then that switch to the guitar is surprising sounding a bit cheaky (speeling) and then the Mellotron(?) joining in giving it a whole different character is cool. This could be a start of a great track, I sensed some musical ideas that can be further developed and even added. I like it! Make it longer, add to it more, I think.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:12
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

The Music Academy - nice spacey start, relaxing and beautiful. But I think it goes on for too long with the guitar solo, it's for me, getting a bit lost and the switch to that other part could come sooner or maybe add there more instrumentation in that intro alongside or after the guitar solo (leave the solo but cut it shorter). I was expecting a sort of speeding up at the end of that part and the switch lead to a nice part, but I feel as if there is much potential unfulfilled here. You can certainly develop it to what way you in that.
 

Thank You for this insight.
Should i just forget about all the sound effects..the footsteps & doors closing and just develope the individual songs as separate songs ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:18
I personally love the use of sound effects and also unconoventional music making instruments.
You could develop the songs' motifs first and then add to them whatever "ornaments" you want (that is if you wish to make a specific melody/idea-lead track or a more abstract/amorphic non-structured one). It depends on what you find most comfortable and naturally coming to you.
But in the end, I think effects and other adds, can be great addition to the music (and can even be the center of a piece).
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:21
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Song 3 - starting grandiose (can be made into very majestic or pompous, depending on how you edit or instrument it). Then that switch to the guitar is surprising sounding a bit cheaky (speeling) and then the Mellotron(?) joining in giving it a whole different character is cool. This could be a start of a great track, I sensed some musical ideas that can be further developed and even added. I like it! Make it longer, add to it more, I think.
 

Thanks again for these critical comments.
Since i do not have an official producer, i need you and others here on the forum to bounce ideas off of.  my children & wife do not provide me with enough musical ideas
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:25
Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Song 3 - starting grandiose (can be made into very majestic or pompous, depending on how you edit or instrument it). Then that switch to the guitar is surprising sounding a bit cheaky (speeling) and then the Mellotron(?) joining in giving it a whole different character is cool. This could be a start of a great track, I sensed some musical ideas that can be further developed and even added. I like it! Make it longer, add to it more, I think.
 

Thanks again for these critical comments.
Since i do not have an official producer, i need you and others here on the forum to bounce ideas off of.  my children & wife do not provide me with enough musical ideas
LOL

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Yeah, I understand.
 
I used to play the Organ and compose small and short pieces of my own and I never figured it out, but for some reason, I could successfully compose only on days I was totally unprepared and not intending to do any composing. Even on days I felt like crap, for some reason, I would just sit and play to relax and then an idea came floating by as I played...
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:28
Utah Man,.
something is wrong with my Comp,.
But I'll check it, and will let you know

love your avatar, that album cover rule,
better than Roger Dean,..
(Octopus-Gentle Giant {being specific incase you change it later} )


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:38
but for some reason, I could successfully compose only on days I was totally unprepared and not intending to do any composing. Even on days I felt like crap, for some reason, I would just sit and play to relax and then an idea came floating by as I played...

funny...i'm the same way.  after staying away for days and days, i go to into my recording studio and start creating some interesting melody without any planning...Serendipity Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:40
Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

Utah Man,.
something is wrong with my Comp,.

Microsoft OS ? LOL

Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

love your avatar, that album cover rule,
better than Roger Dean,..
(Octopus-Gentle Giant {being specific incase you change it later} )


agree.
dean's version is too sinister looking
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:49
Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

Utah Man,.
something is wrong with my Comp,.

Microsoft OS ? LOL


Originally posted by R o V e R R o V e R wrote:

love your avatar, that album cover rule,
better than Roger Dean,..

(Octopus-Gentle Giant {being specific incase you change it later} )



agree.
dean's version is too sinister looking
Wink

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Hey,.. I'm not using Microsoft anymore,.
mine is Powerbook G4 (MAC)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:51
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:


on "Song 1" what do you think of the explosion at the 1:29 time mark .  Is it a stupid idea or leave it ?

 I think it's fine the way it is, a nice passage to another part. You could change or improve the quality of the explosion sound itself, but I find the idea in itself to be good.


i have several other versions of it...
that sound originated from a WW II era U.S. Navy Destroyer...then i added lots of reverb and i think i may have compressed it too.
i wanted it to have a "pan out" effect to sound like it keeps on going till the guitar comes in.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 12:54
Originally posted by Utah Man Utah Man wrote:



i have several other versions of it...
that sound originated from a WW II era U.S. Navy Destroyer...then i added lots of reverb and i think i may have compressed it too.
i wanted it to have a "pan out" effect to sound like it keeps on going till the guitar comes in.

 
Sounds like a good idea.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 13:09
Very good.  I might replace the muffled explosion with thunder.  In song one I might add some intermittent washboard for percussive effect.  Nice atmosphere and shifts (love it at about 3:12).  Some very good transitions.  I'd add the sound of more instruments in places so that repeated phrases can build up, as well as for harmonic value.  Very good tracks as it is, but I'd layer it a little more and add counterpoint in places.  I don't think it needs drums, I'd rather the percussion come from other instruments on the whole.  Ah, and if you have a xylophone....

Ah, I'm talking nonsense, it's very good as it is, and as you say, it's not the final production (the inclusion of acoustic instruments does tend to make something sound richer and fuller, if you know people who could play parts for it later -- I've never found the mellotron (or midi of course) or such keyboards to be an adequate substitute -- less vibrant).

But, I think it's great, really.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2007 at 13:56
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Very good.  I might replace the muffled explosion with thunder.


thank you logan for taking time to listen to these Wink
thunder...i never thought of that ...cool.
the explosion sounds too muffled ?  ok , i guess i EQ'd it too much.

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Nice atmosphere and shifts (love it at about 3:12).

you mean the harp sound (mellotron) ?
does it sound too compressed ?
to much reverb or is it OK ?


Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'd add the sound of more instruments in places so that repeated phrases can build up, as well as for harmonic value.  Very good tracks as it is, but I'd layer it a little more and add counterpoint in places.  I don't think it needs drums, I'd rather the percussion come from other instruments on the whole.  Ah, and if you have a xylophone....

good advice.
in the acoustic section i plan on adding more electric guitar solo stuff - like they're "talking" to each other, then separate those via right channel / left channel or something.

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Ah, I'm talking nonsense...

absolutely NOT ...
i love this input and interaction from all you guys Clap
i value the advice, input, music reviews, etc. more from ProgArchives than if i had a review from, say, Rolling Stone magazine...sheesh..they're just a bunch of professionally paid musical-review weenies

again Logan, thank you for your time Tongue


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