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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 16:04
Yes, not all cd have to be over 80 minutes. For example, for me Scenes from a memory should have been cut of 20-25 minutes, and it would have been perfect. But there are also great 70-80 cds that need them (and have the right to be like that). Some examples: "Trout Mask Replica", "Tommy", "The Wall", all Godspeed etc...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 16:21
For me, albums are an experience. If you fill them will music that has no substance and is just there to fill space, I don't see the point.

There is only so much good work an artist can do with 80 minutes at their disposal. The occasional inclusion of an album of this length, only integral to a work's substance, is acceptable to me. Bands feel they need to use all 80 minutes, but I'd rather they spend a long time working on a solid 35-50 minutes than the same time working on 80 minutes with less focus on refining their music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 16:25
I'm with you Teo.  Most artists need an edit job prior to releasing their magnum opus....They don't have as much to say as they think they do.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 16:27
I love long albums! I would rather pay the 15 dollars for a CD that is filled than pay the same for a disc with only 40 minutes. I like to think of it very economically -- more bang for my buck! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 17:47
I agre that their are not many very good 75+ minute albums out there, but they do exist. I have also come across the reverse problem, a number of modern albums that are just too short, with only 45-50 minutes (obviously, I dont apply this to albums that were originoly released as vynil).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 17:53
I have a big problem with listening to Ayreon's The Human Equation because it's too damn long, and the quality of the music doesn't make up for that.  I find it difficult to sit through all of it (though I haven't listened to it in a while).  I think the ideal length of an album is between 50 and 65 minutes, that's my opinion.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 17:57
Marillion have the right idea, excluding "La Gazza Ladra", I think "Clutching at Straws" was their longest with Fish, and that's only, what, 50 minutes long?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 18:18

I prefer 35-45 minute albums myself. Quality over quantity!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 18:38
I agree that 75+ min. albums are hard to maintain a high-quality level all the way through

However, I can draw many examples of 75+ min. masterpieces...

I don't really have a 'desired record length' as my top albums range from 35 to 80 mins Stern%20Smile, most of them being somewhere in the middle...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 19:16
I think 79 minutes of music, for the most part, is significantly better then when a older album is re-release with "bonus" tracks, and for those part, I fail to see what the bonus is. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 19:50
I see the point to this thread however I like a full CD I would just prefer they save the highly indulgent noodling and risky stuff for the end of the CD so the first 50 minutes is great,  that way I could bail out when I feel like it and still enjoy the main body of the CD  .  Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 22:04
Yep. Happens to me too. The whole reason I can't seem to enjoy DT's Scenes From A Memory is because it lasts for sooooo long it gets pretty tedious. I prefer prog albums to be in between 30 to 50 minutes (unless it's a double album or something)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2007 at 22:17
Complain to God for giving you a short attention span.  The longer the better for me.  If I like the artist, I will trust their judgement that they won't put crap on an album just to fill it up. 

Too much music.  Oh for that to be the worst of my problems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 00:11
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

The times albums lasted 40-50 minutes is because vinyls couldn't store more than 60 minutes Wink
 
I know, but that doesn't mean that, just because you CAN put 80 minutes of music in a cd, you HAVE to do it...Wink


...unless it is a collection (like compilations, live albums, greatest hits).
Ex: Supernatural Fiarytales set - each of the 5 discs has only about one hour of music on it!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 01:19
A lot of the music released today would have been a double album back in the day. I much prefer the 50 minute albums myself, maybe that's why i'm not a big fan of bonus tracks. But there are always exceptions to the rule.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 01:45
I generally find myself listening to shorter albums more, often for the previously mentioned reason that I don't have a straight 80 minutes in which to listen to music. However, if an album is consistently good throughout, I don't care how long it is, and it will often be a source of many songs to enjoy as individual songs. I feel like I get my money's worth when buying a longer album, as well.
 
As with most, I'd prefer a consise, short album to a long album with the same ideas drawn out over 80 minutes, but, similarly, I'd prefer a complete album that doesn't limit its length to a short album that feels incomplete.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 03:04
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

The times albums lasted 40-50 minutes is because vinyls couldn't store more than 60 minutes Wink
 
 
But I prefer shorter ones. 35 might be too short; 45-50 is just fine; 55 is the maximum.
 
Of course, there are excellent 75-80 mins albums, but I haven't found a masterpiece of this size yet (I'm not counting occasional double vinyls).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 03:56

Yeah, I share the same view. The Flower Kings are consistent offenders, IMHO. If they just cut their albums down I think they'd be much better thought of. There are some moments of prog brilliance amidst some aimless filler on most of their work, particularly the last few albums. 'Unfold The Future', 'Flower Power', 'The Rainmaker', 'Adam And Eve' and 'Paradox Hotel' I find to be particularly noteworthy in this respect. The latest, 'The Sum Of No Evil', despite having no obvious 'fillers' (unlike anything else they've done since 'Space Revolver', IMHO) I still feel overstayed its welcome a little. (However, DT's 'Systematic Chaos' was nearly 80 minutes but I can handle that all the way through...it's simply the only album of theirs I can say that about, funnily enough) 

For a CD, I think around 50-60 minutes is the ideal length, and I think 60 minutes is often pushing it. Most of my favourite albums this year have been just the right length, IMHO- Porcupine Tree's 'Fear Of A Blank Planet' and Rush's 'Snakes And Arrows' spring to mind, as well as Fish's 'The Thirteenth Star' which was around 50 minutes or so; no filler whatsoever, every song stands up. But his previous effort 'Field Of Crows' has a fair amount of weaker material on it, IMHO, and that's nigh on 75 minutes. In other words, I feel quality is far more important than the quantity.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 04:08
Pah! What tosh. I get more upset by artists putting too little music on a CD than too much. The number of times I bought a 35 minute album and been left wanting more by the end of it by far out-weighs the number of times I've turned off a 80 minute album because it was boring me. You can always cut tracks from a long album, but you can never add music to a short one. Stern%20Smile
 
This is Prog for heaven sakes, it's supposed to be long and indulgent - train yourself to improve your attention span and not to complain about the generousity of the artists in providing too much music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 04:14
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I know the needs for artistic expression demand more.. time... or resources.. or whatever. But sometimes it's just pretentiousness of artists who really think all they write is good. Yes, even Roine Stolt sometimes suffers from this (even though I love his music so much that I happen to enjoy his elephantistic albumsTongue).... But what about the times when albums lasted 40-50 minutes? What about some balance? Some equilibrium? Not EVERYHTING has to be 80 minutes long! Angry
"Elephantistic" is quite a good description of a Flower Kings album. At first I read "Elephantastic" which I found less appropriate. Tongue
 
Agreed with the majority here. I prefer to see an album as a whole (regardless of whether it's a 'pure' concept album or not) and not as a set of songs in which I have to make my own selection. So artists, please only release what's worth releasing and not what's physically possible to be released.


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