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andu 
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 Posted: November 16 2007 at 07:01 |
 Balthe wrote:
If it is to be made a consistent policy to re-tag bands' genres in accordance with only their latest incarnations and musical approaches, as seems to be the case here......... |
That is not the case. In the opinion of the teams, PT's period which happen to be latest is the one which defines their most original and influential contribution. This period can be from any period of the band's career and it doesn't need to be the largest, the most consistent or the best of their output; just the most original and influential. That's why you can't take Genesis out of Symphonic even though they spent more time doing pop-rock. They gave shape to Symphonic Rock in 1970-1972 and that's what counts.
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Balthe
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 06:48 |
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This decision seems a bit out of synch with the way genres are usually being handled here. To me, it looks as if Porcupine Tree have been labelled according to the characteristics of their current musical incarnation, which I agree would be heavy prog.
But, looking back at their discography, there is a clear red line of psychedelia/space rock - much more so than heavy prog or any other genre - running through their music, and they still pay homage to their psychedelic heritage even to this day.
If it is to be made a consistent policy to re-tag bands' genres in accordance with only their latest incarnations and musical approaches, as seems to be the case here, would it also mean that Genesis, for example, should rightfully be changed from a symhonic prog band into a pop-rock band? Seeing how their latest 6 or 7 releases have been in that vein. Or that King Crimson be dubbed solely "heavy prog" for their latest efforts, completely overlooking their symphonic roots, their avant garde and jazz-influenced periods, etc.
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progrules
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 06:42 |
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I read an opinion that said they are very versatile and not to be classified. In fact that's true. The first albums were very Spacy but through the years they experimented more and more and now you could indeed divide them in (almost) any section. But I still would be ok with Psychedelic/Space.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:34 |
I'll keep an eye open Raf, and make sure this thread remains constructive. 
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Raff
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:29 |
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Sorry, Bob, for sounding a bit on the aggressive side... I was, as we say in Italy, putting my hands forward, since I've seen other similar discussions turn ugly, or at the very least unpleasant.
In the case of other bands, we had put up a poll in order to sound the membership's opinion, but as far as I can remember, they never went anywhere (I remember the cases of Jethro Tull and Traffic). This is why this time the discussion was conducted mainly at Collab level.
Edited by Ghost Rider - November 16 2007 at 04:37
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andu
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:20 |
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It's a great move! Sometimes bands define or re-define a stylistic area with their early output, which is not always the definitive one. And in this case it's correct for those bands to rest in that specific area. It is the case of Pink Floyd par excellence, but imo not also the case of Porcupine Tree. They were doing excellent space-rock at the beginning, but the genre remained untouched... not like what happened with Floyd's output from 1967-1969.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 04:15 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I don't mean to start the day on a confrontational note, but I'd like to point out a very simple thing to all of you. Do you really think such a decision was made lightly, or by people who don't have a clue of what PT are about? As Micky said, we had been discussing this move for months before we actually made it last week. Actually, if my memory serves me well, it was the Psyche team that first suggested it.
Having lived longer than most of you, I am well aware that there can never be 100% agreement on anything. However, I wish people sometimes tried to understand that there may be other reasons behind a move than the wish to spite others. |
I don't think anyone questioning the integrity of the decision making process Raf, or the people who made it.
The general membership was not involved in those discussions though, so it is only fair that they should be allowed to talk about it now. It's not a personal issue, just a discussion about the music of a band who have crossed many genres.
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Casartelli
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 03:54 |
Heavy Prog is fine with me, although I think Eclectic Prog might have fitted best. However, I think the same about Rush, so perhaps I should re-read the definitions. 
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Raff
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 03:07 |
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I don't mean to start the day on a confrontational note, but I'd like to point out a very simple thing to all of you. Do you really think such a decision was made lightly, or by people who don't have a clue of what PT are about? As Micky said, we had been discussing this move for months before we actually made it last week. Actually, if my memory serves me well, it was the Psyche team that first suggested it.
Having lived longer than most of you, I am well aware that there can never be 100% agreement on anything. However, I wish people sometimes tried to understand that there may be other reasons behind a move than the wish to spite others.
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The T
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 02:19 |
I don't know... 50% they were Pink Floyd Mark X, 50% they are a mix of metal, alt, brit, AND psychedelic....They have NEVER been ZERO % psychedelic... but once they were ZERO % heavy.... (or less than 10%)... I don't know... I guess I prefered their old location.
Edited by The T - November 16 2007 at 02:21
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ProgBagel
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 02:02 |
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They're keeping a pyschadelic touch to it still...I thought they were fine where they were.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 02:02 |
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outrageous decision... who's responsible for this?
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:58 |
It just depends on what part of their career you look at. I really like the first few albums, so I think of them as space rock, but their more recent output certainly fits with heavy prog.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:20 |
I optimistically agree.  
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:17 |
I completely disagree.  
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:03 |
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the AR family thought long and hard errr... heavy about it...
and decided hard...err...heavy prog was the best 'fit' for them... really all to be said about it
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 01:00 |
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They're practically an alt-rock/metal band now, so I think it fits. They used to be like PF, but they're not anymore.
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Kazuzu
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Posted: November 16 2007 at 00:31 |
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I didn't noticed until now, that Porcupine Tree is now on the Heavy Prog section, so, what do people think about it?, they used to be on the Psychedelic/Space Rock section, and well, PT used to create such psychedelic and atmospheric music, but I always thought that they were more than Psych/Space Rock, now, they got moved to the Heavy Prog section, but I think they would fit better on the Crossover Prog or Eclectic Prog section, so, what do you think about this?
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