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Dean 
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 Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:45 |
 Casartelli wrote:
I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
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There is no definitive answer to that because PR is the most subjective of categories.
You can look through the exisiting list of PR bands and see artists who have 1, 2 or even 3 100% Prog albums along side others who have none.
It is difficult enough attempting to quantify Progness, so Prog-relatedness is even more of an impossible notion to quantify.
However, for me a PR artist must have at least one album where a degree of relatedness to prog can be shown (ie. I mean more than just one song...)
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:46 |
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Raff... isn't offical site policy.. handed down from the hand of
M@X.. that if a group DID a prog album.. they should be added here.
Edited by micky - November 13 2007 at 07:47
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Casartelli
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:46 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I am afraid the problem is just that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output. There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music, especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my country.
Personally, I think the only solution to the problem would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a long, long time.
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You have a point there, I know such a band as well. What was their name again... damn, can't find it. But they had some hits called "I can't dance", "Hold on my heart" and "Land of confusion".
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:52 |
Casartelli wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
I am afraid the problem is just
that... There are lots of bands or artists who have recorded a few prog
songs, or even a whole album, though they are generally known for a rather different kind of musical output.
There are lots of such cases in the history of Italian pop music,
especially since in the Seventies prog was such a big phenomenon in my
country.
Personally, I think the only solution to the problem
would be allowing for single-album entries instead of having to add
whole discographies which, in far too many cases, have nothing
whatsoever to do with prog. However, it seems the idea is not very
popular, so I'm afraid we'll keep on seeing threads like this one for a
long, long time.
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You have a point there, I know such a band as well. What was their
name again... damn, can't find it. But they had some hits called "I
can't dance", "Hold on my heart" and "Land of confusion". |
hahahhahaha.... yeah... whoever the hell that group was...
someone told me they actually did some albums in the 70's that no one
outside of the occasional old geezer actually know  They are known to EVERYONE outside of us.. as AOR.
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Casartelli
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:53 |
darqdean wrote:
Casartelli wrote:
I'm still waiting for my vote, because I still have the open question which part of an artist's discography should be prog (related) to be included in our beloved archives resp. in the PR category of our beloved archives.
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There is no definitive answer to that because PR is the most subjective of categories.
You can look through the exisiting list of PR bands and see artists who have 1, 2 or even 3 100% Prog albums along side others who have none.
It is difficult enough attempting to quantify Progness, so Prog-relatedness is even more of an impossible notion to quantify.
However, for me a PR artist must have at least one album where a degree of relatedness to prog can be shown (ie. I mean more than just one song...) |
Thanks, that seems sensible. Judging at at least one prog-related album I think Toto would qualify, where Boston would not.
But perhaps we informally have other criteria as well, like being more reluctant on adding 'big' general rock bands (like the mentioned Boston, Toto, Journey, etc. etc.) compared to the band with the more obscure prog parts (Talk talk, The Church, Split Enz, etc. etc.)?
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:54 |
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this is why I like Admin dealing with PR... i think it's a relief for Collabs to not carry this burden, and can settle things cleanly after a healthy debate
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:55 |
Atavachron wrote:
this is why I like Admin dealing with PR... i think
it's a relief for Collabs to not carry this burden, and can settle
things cleanly after a healthy debate
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Tony R
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:58 |
micky wrote:
Raff... isn't offical site policy.. handed down from the hand of
M@X..
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Not really. It's a bit like the Catholic Church and God. The Admin Team is The Pope and Cardinals and Max is God Similarily God has chosen not to speak for the last two thousand years... 
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:09 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:11 |
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^ yes, but we get to write the Bible
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Raff
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:25 |
So, what are we Collabs? just the general clergy? I'd like to get to be at least a bishop, seen as I can't be one in the real Catholic Church ..
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:28 |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:29 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:31 |
huh? .... how about translating that into heathen for us fast-trackers to hell...
Edited by micky - November 13 2007 at 08:31
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:00 |
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"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:13 |
Nice anology with the church because since my arrival on Prog Archives
early 2004, I consider myself as a 'progrock missionary' 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:14 |
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I guess that clarifies your position...
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:17 |
Freud was right, people tend to think about sex all the day .. especially men 
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:20 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Freud was right, people tend to think about sex all the day .. especially men |
nah!!!!
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micky
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Posted: November 13 2007 at 09:21 |
Jim Garten wrote:
"Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,
thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast
thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold
thee."
Cardinal Sin
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ahhhh.. even my heathen soul can see the wisdom in those words...
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