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el böthy

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Topic: DT Album Connections
Posted: November 12 2007 at 20:53

Maybe they just have very few ideas...

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Posted: November 11 2007 at 17:05

A rather clever way to rehash old material, perhaps.

Duos for fave acts

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Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:56

I think it's a trick that intrigues the listener
they do it in most of their albums and is generally done in concept albums
The Perfect Element and The Art of Navigating by the Stars are the ones that come instantly in mind
I think is a great way to connect the songs to the general concept of the album

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Posted: November 11 2007 at 03:31

Off wikipedia:

The final album track started a musical experiment on Dream Theater's part. The static heard at the beginning of "The Glass Prison", the opening number of 2002's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, is the same static heard at the end of "Finally Free", this album's closing track. Similar connections would be featured on the following album Train of Thought, ending with the end of Octavarium's title track in 2005.

Throughout the album, sections of the song "Metropolis Part 1" are quoted frequently. For example, the keyboard heard in the opening to "Overture 1928" is the same as heard in the opening of the original "Metropolis", except tuned one full step down.

The first track of the first disc begins with the white noise that ended Scenes from a Memory, while the last track, Losing Time/Grand Finale ends with a long chord played by (synthesised) strings, which was also used as the intro to their next studio album, Train of Thought.

The album Train of Thought has seven songs, while its predecessor (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence) has six and its successor (Octavarium) has eight.

The first song "As I Am" starts with the ending synth/orchestral chord of SDoIT and the ending piano note (F) of "In the Name of God" is the first note of Octavarium's "The Root of All Evil".

It was alot more stuff before, but i can't find it now.

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Posted: November 11 2007 at 02:46

up until "Falling..." they used to get in the studio, jam a lot, record many hours of music and then pick the parts they liked better and work on them... and if they continued doing so for the next albums, well, that should explain a lot...

Edited by toolis - November 11 2007 at 02:49

-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...

-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...

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Posted: November 11 2007 at 01:57

Yeah I noticed it too, something was written about it in Wikipedia...there is some connection.

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Posted: November 10 2007 at 23:21

Been listening to Dream Theater recently and noticed something really unique that I really love. Even though the albums aren't concept albums (except one) they like to reprise themes or riffs from other songs on the album. Sometimes they even repeat a riff or something from a previous album. Here are some that I have noticed:

The piano from Wait for Sleep is repeated in Learning to Live

The melody from Space Dye Vest is in The Mirror

A rhythym from The Mirror is in Lie

The keyboard riff from Erotomania is in A Change of Seasons

A vocal line from Take the Time is in Just Let Me Breathe

Many riffs from Metropolis pt. 1 are on Scenes From A Memory (too many to name specifics)

Many riffs from Portnoy's AA Suite

A melody from Octavarium is in The Answer Lies Within

Many riffs from the first seven songs on Octavarium repeated in the title track

If you listen really closely at about 4:10 or so on Dark Eternal Night you can hear a keyboard part that is from In The Presence of Enemies

Not sure about this one, but the end of Hell's Kitchen sounds a lot like the chorus on In The Name of God

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed some that I haven't found, or if mine are correct. Just thought I'd comment on this because I think it is a really cool idea of theirs.

Edited by Endless Wire - November 10 2007 at 23:46

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el böthy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336	Topic: DT Album Connections Posted: November 12 2007 at 20:53
	Maybe they just have very few ideas... jejejejee
	"You want me to play what, Robert?"

Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35804	Posted: November 11 2007 at 17:05
	A rather clever way to rehash old material, perhaps.
	Duos for fave acts

aapatsos Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226	Posted: November 11 2007 at 16:56
	I think it's a trick that intrigues the listener they do it in most of their albums and is generally done in concept albums The Perfect Element and The Art of Navigating by the Stars are the ones that come instantly in mind I think is a great way to connect the songs to the general concept of the album

Abstrakt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 18 2005 Location: Soundgarden Status: Offline Points: 18292	Posted: November 11 2007 at 03:31
	Off wikipedia: The final album track started a musical experiment on Dream Theater's part. The static heard at the beginning of "The Glass Prison", the opening number of 2002's Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, is the same static heard at the end of "Finally Free", this album's closing track. Similar connections would be featured on the following album Train of Thought, ending with the end of Octavarium's title track in 2005. Throughout the album, sections of the song "Metropolis Part 1" are quoted frequently. For example, the keyboard heard in the opening to "Overture 1928" is the same as heard in the opening of the original "Metropolis", except tuned one full step down. The first track of the first disc begins with the white noise that ended Scenes from a Memory, while the last track, Losing Time/Grand Finale ends with a long chord played by (synthesised) strings, which was also used as the intro to their next studio album, Train of Thought. The album Train of Thought has seven songs, while its predecessor (Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence) has six and its successor (Octavarium) has eight. The first song "As I Am" starts with the ending synth/orchestral chord of SDoIT and the ending piano note (F) of "In the Name of God" is the first note of Octavarium's "The Root of All Evil". It was alot more stuff before, but i can't find it now.

toolis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678	Posted: November 11 2007 at 02:46
	up until "Falling..." they used to get in the studio, jam a lot, record many hours of music and then pick the parts they liked better and work on them... and if they continued doing so for the next albums, well, that should explain a lot... Edited by toolis - November 11 2007 at 02:49
	-music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...

ProgBagel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: May 13 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2819	Posted: November 11 2007 at 01:57
	Yeah I noticed it too, something was written about it in Wikipedia...there is some connection.

Endless Wire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: April 27 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 403	Posted: November 10 2007 at 23:21
	Been listening to Dream Theater recently and noticed something really unique that I really love. Even though the albums aren't concept albums (except one) they like to reprise themes or riffs from other songs on the album. Sometimes they even repeat a riff or something from a previous album. Here are some that I have noticed: The piano from Wait for Sleep is repeated in Learning to Live The melody from Space Dye Vest is in The Mirror A rhythym from The Mirror is in Lie The keyboard riff from Erotomania is in A Change of Seasons A vocal line from Take the Time is in Just Let Me Breathe Many riffs from Metropolis pt. 1 are on Scenes From A Memory (too many to name specifics) Many riffs from Portnoy's AA Suite A melody from Octavarium is in The Answer Lies Within Many riffs from the first seven songs on Octavarium repeated in the title track If you listen really closely at about 4:10 or so on Dark Eternal Night you can hear a keyboard part that is from In The Presence of Enemies Not sure about this one, but the end of Hell's Kitchen sounds a lot like the chorus on In The Name of God Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed some that I haven't found, or if mine are correct. Just thought I'd comment on this because I think it is a really cool idea of theirs. Edited by Endless Wire - November 10 2007 at 23:46
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