Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all.
Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage") |
Reviews discussion |
Post Reply 
|
Page <1 4950515253 182> |
| Author | |||
Tapfret 
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8581 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Posted: November 02 2007 at 18:29 |
||
|
This reviewer...I mean rater, is clearly genre slamming. I find it hard to believe that they sought out 30 albums in a genre they don't like and listened to them long enough to appropriately rate them. |
|||
 |
|||
|
Easy Livin
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 03 2007 at 05:28 |
||
I've moved this to the Reviews discussion so we can talk about it further. Which genre are you referring to?
|
|||
|
|||
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 03 2007 at 05:39 |
||
|
if you look at the list of the reviews and their ratings, I think it's quite clear the guy in question is trying to slam Prog Metal (surprise surprise!
 ), while he's definitely a fan of Symphonic.
|
|||
|
|||
|
ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 03 2007 at 06:38 |
||
I find this person a bit interesting too. Looks like he/she joined August 22nd and started logging reviews an hour later, with over 200 done by the next day. Most of those reviews are only a minute or two apart, and none has any accompanying text. I'm just impressed they were able to navigate the site that quickly; when I joined it took me about a week to figure out how to post a review, and another few weeks before I realized it was something I could/should/wanted to, do. This guy seems to be on a mission. |
|||
|
"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
|||
|
|||
|
andu
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 03 2007 at 10:19 |
||
|
...and he hates Black Sabbath.
|
|||
|
|||
|
micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 05 2007 at 20:39 |
||
|
maybe not Andu....... but to remind you all.... look at the guidelines for rating the albums.
He has all the right in the world to give them 1 star. This is a prog website.. some people might have problems giving 5 stars.. or even 3 stars to albums which aren't prog. In my book..no harm ... no foul... without a written review they are useless anyway. Since we allow those kind of reviews... can't really clamp down on this guy can we. Just because you may not agree. Edited by micky - November 05 2007 at 20:40 |
|||
|
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
|
|||
|
|||
|
andu
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 09 2007 at 05:16 |
||
Shouldn't we have kept one of them?  |
|||
|
|||
|
Tapfret
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8581 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 09 2007 at 20:16 |
||
This is why I am on the side of the "No reviewless ratings" facton. If you look at the timing of many of the ratings, it was within the span of time that the albums he rated would have been on the front page after the previous review, or at the very least, in the last 50 reviews. Now, are they useless? Sure, if he comes on and rates "Foxtrot" or "Images and Words", not going to touch the overall score. But when a first review is written (see the tremendous list of unreviewed albums http://www.progarchives.com/UnreviewedAlbums.asp ), particularly when it is written by a non-collaborator, it totally skews the rating. What it does from a reviewers standpoint is eliminates the subjectivity of the rating. Instead of giving 3 or 4 stars to an album that may not be for everybody, I'll just give 5 if I like it since I know that some person who has pretty likely not even listened to the album can wipe out 33% of the score.
|
|||
|
|||
|
micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 09 2007 at 20:28 |
||
that presumes an awful lot.... that he intended to f**k around and manipulate ...some do ..some don't. It is like the cost of our feedoms here.... in order to preserve freedoms for all.. sometimes the guilty walk. Everyone has a voice here.... or an attempt at a voice that is  .
Unless you can prove it.. which you can't.. what you are in effect
doing is eliminating reviews you don't agree with...and by the same
measure as he is accused of... simply f**king around and manipulating
the ratings. Too many here care too much about that stupid
crap. It is a popularity contest.. and the votes of those who hate the
albums have as much voice as those who love them.Nothing is hurt by allowing everyone to have their say... the boss wants it... and if he does he have to allow it... any removing or editting of reviewless reviews does amount to censorship in a way. If it were up to me.. I'd get rid of them...and non collab reviews from the front page. People are promoted to prog reviewers for their reviewing skills.. and they should be spotlighted. Simply make collab only reviews the default setting. .with the option to show all reviews if someone wants to see them. Edited by micky - November 09 2007 at 20:30 |
|||
|
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
|
|||
|
|||
|
Tapfret
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8581 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 09 2007 at 21:15 |
||
Something tells me the only constructive thing to come from this will be that I have come up with the term "genrecide". Forgive me if somebody thought of it already.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Eerichtho
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 19 2007 Location: Estonia Status: Offline Points: 108 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 07:01 |
||
|
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=150444
Quite arrogant, if you ask me... Thoughts, anyone? Edited by Eerichtho - November 13 2007 at 07:03 |
|||
|
|||
|
Certif1ed
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:10 |
||
You know, the funny thing about a review like that is that it's practically a recommendation to a perverse b*****d like me... surely only great art can elicit such an extreme reaction?
 Edited by Certif1ed - November 13 2007 at 08:11 |
|||
|
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:14 |
||
Especially as the author saw fit to give two Transatlantic albums five stars apiece..  |
|||
|
|||
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:29 |
||
|
I told you this guy was trouble, and now I have proof
...
|
|||
|
|||
|
andu
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:33 |
||
|
|||
|
VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:35 |
||
|
Wow!
I wonder whether he likes Starless and Bible Black? Now that album could be deemed as pretentious, but I bet he loves it! I know I do. |
|||
  
|
|||
|
|||
|
Raff
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:37 |
||
Bob and Guigo know what I am talking about .. Let's just say that lately I've taken a fancy to the Report button! |
|||
|
|||
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 08:39 |
||
well it is better looking than...  |
|||
|
|||
|
Easy Livin
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 12:00 |
||
Micky's becoming jealous of your relationship with it!!
 |
|||
|
|||
|
micky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46833 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2007 at 12:02 |
||
|
hahahhah.. damn right.... I am the jealous type you know
|
|||
|
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
|
|||
|
|||
|
Post Reply
|
Page <1 4950515253 182> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Topic Options
Tapfret wrote:
No. No. No... No. Look, I don't even know where to start with this band, but I'd best start to gather my fragmented thoughts as this band of idiot flesh has killed any sort of natural flow in my brain. Basically, this is either a bunch of pretentious dip[&*!#]s, or people who are laughing their asses off at anyone who gave this album a 5 star based on how much artistic value this music has. Look, people, you have to realize, not every weird ass band that is doing something unusual is good, never mind progressive. I can't even bring myself to go into how progressive this music is, I'll just say it's degressive in the most horrible way. It's perpetuating the psuedo alternative/progressive mindset that is afflicting so many people these days, and this mindset can do no good, it can only lead people farther astray from what music and art and even entertainment should be, and I really would not like to see human culture go into the void like this (I guess I was able to bring myself). Now if you're some perverse b*****d who likes this exactly because this music is so pointless and [%*!#]ed up and you're laughing at everyone who takes it seriously and how down the drain we are as a race to give this band any sort of praise at all, well that's fine. But you know what would be even more epic? If we saved the world. You read me. If we were somehow able to pull modern society out of the void and bask in truth, with no need, nay; there's never any need, no desire to have pretentions about being satanic when really you're a stupid hipster who doesn't realize the damage (however miniscule it is) they are doing on the already malaise-filled population of pseudo-heads that are becoming stupider and more prevalent by the day. That's what I want, and I think if any of the perverse b*****ds I refered to were to be honest with themselves, and give up any contempt they have for the human race, then they would want the same thing. Portraying vague satanic concepts over crappy music is not cool, even Pitchdork media should realize that. 