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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 01:35
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

re: Eider S, last year I was out bid on their second vinyl, I put a bid down for $250AUS and was outbid in the last minute. 
 
Sniped! Eider Stellaires' first two are going for silly money and given their relative obscurity I'm not sure why.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 01:37
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Maybe I just haven't heard the bad zeuhl yet...(Bad zeuhl? oxymoron?)
 
cough cough...Musique Noise...cough...Avoid at all costs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 01:41

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 01:42
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:

your help is always kind and appreciated avestin by all here who reap your knowledgeable graces..:)!
 
Hi darling! Long time no see! I've had yet another soccer mishap (bruised ribs this time...bleedin' agony)!
 
and yes, avestin is the nicest guy in these pages, if not the world!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 02:21
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

 
Hi darling! Long time no see! I've had yet another soccer mishap (bruised ribs this time...bleedin' agony)!
 
and yes, avestin is the nicest guy in these pages, if not the world!
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hey baby!
i'm off for the eve, but in the meantime: Yuko! If you don't know Eiliff [you probably do tho] you MUST you great kraut fan: I think you'll really love them..esp the s/t
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 02:42
 
Got the first three Eiliff and, of course, I love them! Anything like that is up my passage.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 11:02
My top 5...

1. Magma - Attahk
2. Weidorje - unreleased 2nd album
3. Koenjihyakkei - Anger Shisspa
4. Magma - Kobaia
5. Shub Niggerurath - s/t (cassette)

 Weidorje's 2nd is totally awsome!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 12:47
 
Latest boom in Japan: Kittens sleeping in cooking pots
 
 
猫なべ。Neko nabe
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 15:35
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Maybe I just haven't heard the bad zeuhl yet...(Bad zeuhl? oxymoron?)
 
cough cough...Musique Noise...cough...Avoid at all costs


Although Fulmines Integralis is not good for a  Zeuhl album, it's not really that bad of an album.  Pretty disposable, though.  Kind of dumbed-down Zeuhl, but with good musicianship/ vocals.  Not up to Eskaton (or Zao etc.), for sure.  I expect that I'd still prefer it to most late 80's releases in the archives.  If I hadn't already been very familiar with Zeuhl already, I might have really enjoyed it.

Totally non-essential except for diehards, though.  I'm a Zeuhl completist. That this is a really bad album for Zeuhl says a lot about how good Zeuhl generally is, I feel.

I was looking up some reviews, and this one piqued my curiosity.
From progresssiveworld (CLICK)

Quote I am not quite sure what to say or feel about this CD. Musique Noise is very original and Fulmines Integralis is one of the most different progressive albums I have ever heard. There are essentials of jazz, rock, classical, opera, and some very strange French gibberish going on, if you can think of it, they do it, anything and everything goes with this group. I have to warn all of you that like to experiment with certain drugs that cause you to hallucinate, do not listen to this while under that influence; you may find yourself in a very strange space when you come down. Hell, I do not even do drugs and I felt weird when this CD ended.

Besides all of the musical avante garde insanity that this band creates, there are many marvelous musical moments during the course of this recording, although I found it extremely difficult pulling it all apart to understand it and when it was over I felt agitated. The last song "Pzkr!" just pushed me over the edge. Honestly, there is some good music and this group has some very talented musicians in it, however I do not think that I will ever listen to this again, it was too bizarre for me. I loathe opera; if that ingredient was not present, I would be fine. That one aspect really irritated me.

Seems obvious that this person is not very familiar with Zeuhl and avant rock, nor would appreciate Zeuhl, to say the least.  "Very original," I don't think so.

Another one, (from Ork Alarm): CLICK

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A review of this 1989 Zeuhl album seems long overdue in Ork Alarm! but the album may be becoming hard to find now that Musea are discontinuing their vinyl stocks. But for what it's worth, these are my feelings about an album that I've had lying around for ages now, but have never been totally satisfied by. MUSIQUE NOISE are a relatively new line-up from Paris, they are not simply another copy of MAGMA, rather they are a progression in line with the way Vander's music was developing in 1979. It's as if they have taken the path that MAGMA might have followed if Vander had not diverged in 1980 towards the Otis Redding, John Coltrane and McCoy Tyner homages of the 80's.

'Fulmines Regularis' opens with 'Pas Encore', which initially seems to be a mock Kobaïenne vocal driven piece in the style of ESKATON and ALTAIS, with wedges of MAGMA from the 'Üdü Wüdü' era. The mid section of the piece is based around a slow sax refrain with ostinato Kobaïan vocals somewhat like parts of 'Mekanïk. The track concludes with a bass / drum pattern again heavily influenced by Vander and Paganotti. The second song 'Unique au Monde', is more like ANAID in both vocal content and its jazzy structure, but this time with similarities to PHILEAS FOGG and late period ZAO. Finally, just when you think they have exhausted the plagiarism they round the whole thing off with some WEIDORJE style synth.

 For sure, it is not breaking any new ground, musically, but the LP is worth buying just for the first track. Side one ends with 'Mise au point' which is undoubtedly Musique Post-Atomique and could easily be mistaken for an outtake from any ESKATON album, not surprising when you notice that the album was engineered by ESKATON's pianist, Marc Rozenberg and vocalist, Amara Tahir.

Flipping the record over one gets a feeling of trepidation in case every other member of the Magma school is about to receive a brief exhumation. Thankfully however, this side is almost entirely all their own work, with just the occasional doff of the cap to the ESKATON college of composition. It begins with a Carl Orff operatic feel over a tense, ever building keyboard backing. Unfortunately the results are not as intriguing as most of side one. The next track, 'L'étroit Huit' is much more original and quite a convoluted composition. The general mood is sombre but the quirky 70's organ sound is disquieting and the female vocalists begin to grate towards the ending. The bass playing on this one has an Ourgon-Gorgo flavour of MAGMA circa '79 that is quite satisfying. The final track 'Pzkr!' is a disappointment and I feel it contributes just a little annoyance to spoil an otherwise interesting album.

Overall 'Fulmines Regularis' strikes me as a fair example of the variety of music available from Les Enfants du Magma, and if you enjoy ESKATON, this is pretty close to any of their work. If you have never heard some of the bands referred to above, then I suggest you buy this MUSIQUE NOISE album before it becomes as rare as all the other classic albums by those other Zeuhl groups. Since as you will hopefully have gathered, I do actually like much of this album, I think that Bernard Gueffier's opinion on the album is worth including, (please note that Musea is Bernard's own record label).

This new group offer one of the most exciting and superb examples of actual Zeuhl music, with powerful, fiery themes on which rise the female and male vocals in the best MAGMA and ESKATON vocal tradition and which are enlightened by fantastic sax or keyboard parts. They are dynamic, with tremendous melodies containing complex developments and hyper-elaborated arrangements. Better than other Zeuhl groups because of their great technical talent and original inspiration and sumptuous Carl Orff - like choirs.

Interesting review, though I have a problem with the "better than other Zeuhl groups."  Better than some, perhaps? Might have been some lesser Zeuhl I've missed.

And from Sean Trane at PA:

Quote Review by Sean Trane (Hugues Chantraine)
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3%20stars Musique Noise is one of the umpthienth try from a french group to capitalize on Magma's fame. It was an odd time to release such a record as in 88 such music was terribly uncool!!!

Although , the music is well recorded and executed, it has a bit of originality because of the clear and well spoken french lyrics (superb voice of Isabelle Bruton), but this is about it on the originality front. The music quickly goes down the beaten paths of your average Zheul music all laid out well before by not only Magma, but also all of its offshoots (Zao, Weidorge) but also Eskaton.

This album is only for real afficianados of Zheul or can also be considered as a good intro to that particular style because it is fairly accessible for the unitiated.

I'd give it two stars, anyway. Though Paga's Gnosis is not really Zeuhl, more fuzak (Paga's debut has two great tracks with the faboulous "Une PArcelle d'Urantia" and "Mitchinoku"), that is one of the more boring albums from a group coming from the Zeuhl tradition.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 16:27
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

 
Latest boom in Japan: Kittens sleeping in cooking pots
 
 
猫なべ。Neko nabe


The Hello Kitty bang, erm boom, was saucier.  What is it with nekophilia anyway?

ハローキティ Harō Kiti

(lame anecdote: I once rescued a bagful of kitties abandoned in a park in Japan, then nursed 'em back to health.  It was either that or make nekoyaki).

EDIT: Erm, back on topic.  What are people's favourite Zeuhl and Zeuhlish albums not listed in PA?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 22:26
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

(lame anecdote: I once rescued a bagful of kitties abandoned in a park in Japan, then nursed 'em back to health.  It was either that or make nekoyaki).
 
That's a lovely story. Not sure about 'Nekoyaki' but I'll try anything once. After whale bacon and raw horse it doesn't sound too bad...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 22:30
 
...these tiny letters are p!ssing me off...


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Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

What are people's favourite Zeuhl and Zeuhlish albums not listed in PA?
 
Yog Sothoth 'self-titled'
Teddy Lasry 'Seven Stones'
Rhesus O 'self-titled'
Hiatus 'Avant-Demain'
 
All essential!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2007 at 03:32
なんじゃぁぁぁああ!

reminds me of bonsai kittens...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2007 at 07:26
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2007 at 21:42
There's a reference to Christian Vander in the Japanese manga "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure"!!! I nearly sh*t myself.



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