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Poll Question: Which band is worthy of inclusion as the 8th great prog rock band?
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Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Gentle Giant by far, they should replace Rush in fact. Rush have even said that they have been influenced by GG. Why the hell is VDGG in the lead? They're ok but they meander way to much and aren't memorable at all. Whatever, more people vote for GG, I would think that people on this site would realize that they are the best choice. I love Camel, but they were heavily influenced by many of the bands on the list, especially Pink Floyd, so to put them on the same list as their influences would be ridiculous. Frank Zappa would have to be my second choice, likely for obvious reasons.
Gentle GiantLOLThumbs%20Down Give me a break. Great Musicians but they are inept songwriters. Replace Rush with them, don't think so. Also, Caravan isn't prog; they are crappy English pop.....Thumbs%20Down
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2007 at 16:34
Originally posted by proggy proggy wrote:

Gentle GiantLOLThumbs%20Down Give me a break. Great Musicians but they are inept songwriters. Replace Rush with them, don't think so. Also, Caravan isn't prog; they are crappy English pop.....Thumbs%20Down


Perhaps you haven't heard tracks like "For Richard" and "Nine Feet Underground". Your loss....Thumbs%20DownDead
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2007 at 16:40
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by proggy proggy wrote:

Gentle GiantLOLThumbs%20Down Give me a break. Great Musicians but they are inept songwriters. Replace Rush with them, don't think so. Also, Caravan isn't prog; they are crappy English pop.....Thumbs%20Down


Perhaps you haven't heard tracks like "For Richard" and "Nine Feet Underground". Your loss....Thumbs%20DownDead






hahaha... yeah...  he needs to hear some Gentle Giant as well LOL
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. nah.... not mad....


just right LOL  Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. Zappa,  like those 7.. if you are a music fan ...you know them and what they are about.   Wink


You think so.

I think that Zappa is marginally less unknown than Camel in the UK...
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2007 at 16:46
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. nah.... not mad....


just right LOL  Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. Zappa,  like those 7.. if you are a music fan ...you know them and what they are about.   Wink


You think so.

I think that Zappa is marginally less unknown than Camel in the UK...


hmmm.. from what I know... he was rather influential.. and quite popular. 
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Again, Where the hell is Kansas.....They should be No. 8........
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For me it's between VdGG and Gentle Giant.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. nah.... not mad....


just right LOL  Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. Zappa,  like those 7.. if you are a music fan ...you know them and what they are about.   Wink


You think so.

I think that Zappa is marginally less unknown than Camel in the UK...


hmmm.. from what I know... he was rather influential.. and quite popular. 


Hardly.

The name might be well known but I guarantee that there are very few people anywhere who can name a Frank Zappa album

In fact I would bet good money that in a survey of 100,000 people, 100 times as many people would recognise Frank Zappa's name over Camel as a band but in that survey more people (however few) would be able to name a Camel album than a Zappa album.

Zappa is more "famous" for the silly names he gave his children.
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Originally posted by proggy proggy wrote:

Again, Where the hell is Kansas.....They should be No. 8........



what about Tool?

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. 
 
Do you think that a non-prog fan knows Rush? Or Genesis for their prog output? Or ELP?
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After all, isn't "big 8" supposed to be for BANDS only?
 
And how we measure whether the band should belong or not? If with commercial success (and hence, popularity) only, Mike Oldfield will be beyond all classifications. If with musical quality then what is Rush doing there?
 
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2007 at 17:52
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. nah.... not mad....


just right LOL  Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. Zappa,  like those 7.. if you are a music fan ...you know them and what they are about.   Wink


You think so.

I think that Zappa is marginally less unknown than Camel in the UK...


hmmm.. from what I know... he was rather influential.. and quite popular. 


Hardly.

The name might be well known but I guarantee that there are very few people anywhere who can name a Frank Zappa album

In fact I would bet good money that in a survey of 100,000 people, 100 times as many people would recognise Frank Zappa's name over Camel as a band but in that survey more people (however few) would be able to name a Camel album than a Zappa album.

Zappa is more "famous" for the silly names he gave his children.


LOL  hmmm....

granted I'm not the sharpest tack around here but since when does 150,000 people  count as very few....  he was on the final day right with the headliners... Led Zeppelin

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html

no sign of  Camel there... that's right they were probably in the audience LOLLOLWink
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Originally posted by Thandrus Thandrus wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. 
 
Do you think that a non-prog fan knows Rush? Or Genesis for their prog output? Or ELP?


ahhh.... yes...


ELP is WELL known amoung non prog fans....  maybe not for the best of reason... but they help define prog rock. for those who weren't prog fans..  the good ..and the bad

Rush has many fans who don't know prog.. or care about prog.. 

and yes.. few do really Genesis for their prog output.. and they had little commericial success... but for their influence on prog alone they belong there. 

There are many factors...  Camel fails on damn near all of them but for people liking them LOL 
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8. Kansas    9. ELOY   10. Nektar...............
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I've never understood why everyone hates ELP, even here.
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Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

I've never understood why everyone hates ELP, even here.


this expains it well

Emerson, Lake and Palmer are quite possibly the world's most reviled band. Now, they were extremely popular in the early 70's among those who 'took themselves seriously' (especially college students), and even today they maintain a sizable cult following, so it would be unfair to say that absolutely nobody likes them. Regardless, however, this is a perfectly legitimate statement on the general level. Fans of punk have always detested them as they would any prog band, but this extended far beyond normal levels of loathing; as an example, one of the staples of late 70's Sex Pistols shows was to burn life-size statues of Keith Emerson in effigy.

Now, this normally wouldn't be such a bad thing, since after all hatred of art-rock and prog-rock was one of the most important principles upon which the punk movement was founded. No, what distinguished ELP was the amount of venom spewed upon them by other "high-brow" artists and their various followers. Fans of classical music absolutely despised them for "butchering" various well-known pieces in their attempts to interpret these standards in a rock idiom. There is a nugget of truth to this, of course (Pictures at an Exhibition is often quite a stretch from the original Mussorgsky piece, to put it mildly), but ... I dunno. I'm sure that a good number of the band's fans became fans of classical music due to their efforts, so that should be worth something. Or maybe the older generation was just mad about all these young whippersnappers infiltrating their societal niche ....

The greatest insult of all, of course, is that even among some prog lovers, they're hated like crazy! Now, prog is often considered a relatively open-ended term, and many are eager to classify any band with the least bit of 'artsy' leanings as one. Hence, many groups are GROSSLY misclassified in this genre. Styx, Journey, Kansas ... all are talentless buffoons with large egos but little else, and let's face it, you really need talent to be a decent prog group (though I guess Kansas and Styx can technically qualify as prog. Ehn). The Moody Blues and Procol Harum often get the tag, but that's only because of the slight symphonic elements in their sound (from mellotron in the former, organs in the latter); both are most definitely rooted in pop, and it should definitely be noted that the former's concepts are never as overwhelmingly bizarre as one would expect from a true prog band (not to mention that the chord progressions are never in the least bit intimidating). Jethro Tull ... well, Jethro Tull was a prog band for the bulk of the 70's, sure, but with a couple of MAJOR exceptions, their progressive stuff was extremely second-rate; I vastly prefer to think of Tull in terms of Teacher and the like as opposed to garbage like Minstrel in the Gallery. And finally, it is highly tempting to refer to Pink Floyd as progressive, but ... avant-garde yes. Artsy, yes. Pretentious, yes. But the lyrics are, again, always either psychadelic, folk, pop, or hyper-angsty. Anyways, the whole point of this is that among English speaking groups (I'm not even going to try and fake any knowledge about German prog or anything like that), there are really five widely acknowledged prog groups (and yes, I'm aware of the existance of Gentle Giant and Van Der Graff, but I'm speaking of widely acknowledged groups, groups that a casual rock fan who may know vaguely enough about prog to have made some level of judgement will recognize): Yes, ELP, Rush (though that's debatable), Genesis (the Gabriel-era stuff plus Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, that is), and first-period King Crimson (Larks to Red is heavy avant-garde (though the complexity is sufficient to make a definite argument of it also being prog), the 80's incarnation is heavily rooted in New-Wave, and the 90's version could almost be called progressive(*gasp*)-punk with a heavy improv side). And almost universally, ELP is considered the worst of all of these.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahahha.. nah.... not mad....


just right LOL  Camel is unknown to anyone who isn't a prog fan. Zappa,  like those 7.. if you are a music fan ...you know them and what they are about.   Wink


You think so.

I think that Zappa is marginally less unknown than Camel in the UK...


hmmm.. from what I know... he was rather influential.. and quite popular. 


Hardly.

The name might be well known but I guarantee that there are very few people anywhere who can name a Frank Zappa album

In fact I would bet good money that in a survey of 100,000 people, 100 times as many people would recognise Frank Zappa's name over Camel as a band but in that survey more people (however few) would be able to name a Camel album than a Zappa album.

Zappa is more "famous" for the silly names he gave his children.


LOL  hmmm....

granted I'm not the sharpest tack around here but since when does 150,000 people  count as very few....  he was on the final day right with the headliners... Led Zeppelin

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bA1.html

no sign of  Camel there... that's right they were probably in the audience LOLLOLWink


That was 1969....

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Meh, I still love them.

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Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

Meh, I still love them.

 
 
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


That was 1969....

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this isn't  LOL

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