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avestin
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Topic: Is Prog "Big In Japan"? Posted: October 28 2007 at 21:22 |
A question for my friends from Japan and those who live or have lived there:
What is the state of Prog in Japan?
I mean all genres of it - symphonic, jazz-rock, avant-garde/zeuhl etc.
I also mean both local and international bands/musicians.
What is the exposure of it in the media, local websites etc? Is the vast majority of people like in the rest of the world, where people are unaware of it, or disregard it?
If you were to look for a prog cd, would you have hard time to find it, or can you just pop in the nearest music store and look for it?
If you wanted the latest Bondage Fruit or Ruins album, where would you go to find it?
I you're interested in the latest KBB album, would it be easy to find?
Is Kenso a common household name or not?
If you wanted to get the lesser known acts (both locally and international) where would you go? If you wanted a more known act, would it be the same?
What about shows? Are there many of those, or is it a scarce event? Are they mainly located in the major cities, or are smaller cities also blessed with shows?
Do you have many shows of foreign bands/musicians? Is there a high attendance?
What are the most popular prog acts (local and intl.)?
So, I'd like to know in general, as you can understand from those questions above, what is it like for prog listeners and prog bands like in Japan?
I am asking this, having seen what goes on in the east coast of the US and also being fascinated with the prog scene in Japan (all genres).
Thank in advance, and I hope those are not too silly questions.
Edited by avestin - October 29 2007 at 09:48
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Shakespeare
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Posted: October 28 2007 at 21:25 |
I've never been there myself and have no idea...
However, my uncle did go there a while back and he said that the CD selection there is fabulous (and he is a huge prog fan himself). [Although, I think he mentioned that most CDs there are in the mini-sleeve format (opposed to the plastic CD case type thing).]
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Posted: October 28 2007 at 23:07 |
If the two-night concert series that spawned Steve Hackett's The Tokyo Tapes (both DVD and audio CD in 1996) are any indication, then I would give a resounding 'YES!'
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 01:41 |
^^dude, it's 2007.
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 05:37 |
Nice question Assaf, I would like to say something about it although I am not Japanese and I haven't lived there and neither I do at this moment ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
To me it seems that there is a very enthousiastic kind of underground scene concerning progressive rock, almost on a religious level because the Japanese progheads really admire the Classic Prog. Some examples.
In the early Nineties I got in touch with Angel Romero, a known Spanish proghead. He had pulbished an add in a Spanish progrock magazine entitled Sirius. Because of his increasing dust-allergy he had to sale his huge collection of progrock LP's, including very rare ones from Italy. I was one of the first who reacted, I succeeded to get my beloved Prog Andaluz. A week later I discovered the many rare Italian prog LP's but meanwhile a small group of Japanese progheads had bought almost his entire LP collection, hundreds of albums and for very good prices Angel told me later ![Shocked](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif)
In the Nineties I did interviews with Japanese progrock bands Ars Nova and Gerard when they were touring in Europe. I was pleasantly surprised that they named the late fellow Dutchman Rick Van Der Linden (Ekseption/Trace) in the same category as Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman when I asked about their influences.
Japan has always been the country that released rare progrock LP's on CD, not always legal but the European Rock Series contains many exciting releases of Italian progrock!
In Japan there is a small but very vivid progrock scene where the musicians and fans look quite androgyn, a world within a world (similar to the punk rock scene). The Ars Nova manager Numero Ueno sold me a video from his progrock live concert collection in which you can notice that special scene, it's almost from another world but great to watch Outer Limits, Gerard and Mugen in small Japanese venues, playing their socks off for an enthousiastic crowd!
The most beautiful progrock magazine is Marquee featuring mouthwatering pictures from concerts and album covers and lots of interesting information, like from CD bootlegs.
By the way, the Kobe earthquake has caused a lot of damage to the equipment of the Japanese progrock bands, it took to recover, financially and mentally !
And if you look at the past, rock - and progrock bands were always welcomed very warm, from Deep Purple and Uriah Heep to Queen, Pink Floyd and Steve Hackett, they were treated as heroes!
I am very glad with new and exciting progrock bands Interpose+ and KBB because for a long time it was very quiet in the Japanese progrock scene....
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 07:15 |
Maybe.... Alphaville is though.
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 09:22 |
I lived in Japan for eleven years, and I still visit regularly, since my wife is Japanese.
As far as I can tell, Japanese popular music is dominated by (a) manufactured stars and (b) a thriving "indie" scene, but very few people are interested in prog these days.
However, the Japanese have subcultures for everything (there are people who do yodelling, others who go tapdancing, still others who build their own harpsichords etc.) so you can be sure that, with a well-to-do population of 120 million, many thousands of people are interested in prog as well.
Big bands from abroad still sell out large auditoriums. Yes, PFM and King Crimson are very popular. In any large Japanese bookshop (i.e. the local equivalents of Borders or Waterstone's) you can buy beautifully illustrated "listener's guides" featuring "the top 200 hundred prog recordings". Last time I looked, there was one volume about British prog, one about World prog and a separate one about Japanese prog! Many of the recommended albums are available in large record stores - especially non-Japanese albums.
A few years ago one 22-year old keyboard player from Osaka started a new band, Shinsekai, which is strongly influenced by Yes, Crimson, Zappa, Focus and the Canterbury Scene. A little too strongly, maybe. I wonder if they'll find their own voice!
On the other hand, for about 20 years KENSO have been playing the most gorgeous instrumental music, in the tradition of Bruford and Brand X. They're simply one of my favourite bands - check out the reviews on Prog Archives!
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 09:31 |
Thanks for the responses, everyone and Erik and Fuxi especially.
I am interested in how is prog is in Japan since I love many Japanese bands (from all genres - starting from the symph side to the jazz-rock and up to the avant and noise side).
If anyone else has any comments, your welcome to post them as well.
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 10:04 |
MONO
million of listenings scrobbled on LastFM
Quite popular I guess
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 10:06 |
Prog-jester wrote:
MONO
million of listenings scrobbled on LastFM
Quite popular I guess
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Yes, but are those Japanese listeners?
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 11:21 |
http://www.last.fm/place/japan/+charts
king crimson are at 180, which is quite high, at least compared to Norway, where they're not on the top 500 list at all. Other than that, it's hard to interpret much out from these lists, I would guess most users are quite young people.
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 17:52 |
I think Dream theater hit the top of the charts a couple of times, but I have no idea.
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 18:49 |
Lot's of live prog shows taped or video'd there. And I love those mini LP format CDs often know here as the "Japanese sleeve". "Jewel" cases are evil!
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 18:55 |
magnus wrote:
http://www.last.fm/place/japan/+charts
king crimson are at 180, which is quite high, at least compared to Norway, where they're not on the top 500 list at all. Other than that, it's hard to interpret much out from these lists, I would guess most users are quite young people. |
Age's got considerably less to do with tastes than many people seem to think.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 18:57 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Lot's of live prog shows taped or video'd there. |
You mean "filmed" or "recorded"?
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 19:00 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 20:51 |
Prog is a minor genre, today. But it has been sustained by enthusiastic fans more than 35 years.
Once, Yoninbayashi, Cosmos Factory, Far East Family Band, Carmen Maki & Oz, Magical Power Mako, etc were acclaimed as overground famous artists (more than 30 years ago). Today, there are no groups like them. Sound Horizon may be one of the exceptions but it is frequently not regarded as a prog band because of their origin .... ![Cry](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif)
The most famous live house is Silver Elephant.
Sometimes, you can see popular (?) prog bands. On October 31, Flat 122 will play at the house. Though they were already passed, Maria Kannon, ExhiVision played a live concert in this year.
Prog CDs are very easy to get. I think Japan is the leading country in case of purchase. HMV is a world wide music shop, but also it lists many prog albums though not a prog expert.
I frequently use these Japanese shops: HMV, amazon, Garden Shed, World Disque, Merurido, Brighton Music, Disk Union, Tower Records, Piper Records, Music Term. Also Yahoo Auction is strong used CDs/LPs market.
Prog magazine Euro Rock Press is also a strong weapon ( ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) ![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) ) for me. This book is written in Japanese. So if you want to understand the book, you must need Japanese. But it is helpful for me. If the book is written in English, I can't read it. Many Japanese don't want to sustain such prog magazine. Here you can see the back numbers of Euro Rock Press.
If you want to buy KBB, Bondage Fruit, Ruin's new albums, you can get them from World Disque, HMV, Disk Union, amazon,etc. Also if they are released from certain labels (not quite minor independent labels), you can order / buy them from small general music shop even in a local city. (maybe it took a week or so ...) I could get a CD from Airplane Label though it is a very minor independent one.
Recent most selling artist (domestic) may be Sound Horizon. Internationally it is probably Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso UFO. But the most popular active bands are Bi Kyo Ran, Kenso, Gerard ?????? Sense Of Wonder, Ars Nova, Outer Limits, Ain Soph are important groups. Prism is also famous in fusion scene.
Mail order lists are also useful. World Disque and Garden Shed make monthly lists. They have been great music source for me since the middle of 1980s. (Gaaaannnn, it is the reason I became old.... ![Dead](smileys/smiley11.gif) )
![](http://www.marquee.co.jp/world_disque/imaget/setlist262.gif) <--- World Disque set sale list.
Please see this site. This is World Disque web page.
Amazingly Tonari Masao (the leader of Datetenryu) released his first solo album!
But I have been annoyed by decreasing children. In near future, this tendency will seriously harm Japanese subculture like manga, animation, game, of course prog is not an exception, I think.
[some of current active bands / artists]
Acid Mothers Temple & The Melting Paraiso UFO
Ain Soph
Alhambra
Ars Nova
Asturias
Bi Kyo Ran
Bishyo
Bondage Fruit
Cinema
Datetenryu
Djamra
ExhiVision
Flat 122
Fragile
Gerard
Interpose+
KBB
Kenso
Kirche
Koenji Hyakkei
Korekyojin
Kuroyurishimai
Le Silo
Magical Power Mako
Marble Sheep
Marge Litch
Mono
Naikaku no Wa
Outer Limits
Pochakaite Malko
Prism
Quikion
Romanza-Bekkan
Ruins
Senba Kiyohiko & Haniwa All Stars
Sense Of Wonder
Shinsekai
Side Steps
Sound Horizon
Starless
Unbeltipo
Vrain
Yoninbayashi
Zettaimu
etc, etc
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 00:19 |
Everything is big in Japan... have you seen the size of those people???!
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 06:57 |
Yukorin wrote:
Disk Union at Shinjuku, oh my God. Yes i visited that place end of last year. Insane, never thought i'd find such a large place dedicated to prog and fusion. Went bonkers just goin thru the stuff (which in yen is actually very reasonable). And they have sh*tloads at Tower and HMV and this place called Recofan as well. Was told by a friend that there was a small store at Shinjuku dedicated to Kraut and psych/space rock, but didnt manage to visit it.
I wanna go back. Japan is progged!!!!
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