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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shakespeare Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 17:32
We've said this before, ratings without reviews hardly have an effect on albums anyway - especially those with many reviews such as the ones in the top 100. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Publius84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 17:40
I agree Shakespeare. But, for example "Quadrophenia" by The Who has 42 ratings, from which 25 are without reviews. Or Bacamarte's "Depois Do Fim" has 94 ratings including 55 without review. That means something.


P.S. Even from ITCOTCK 573 ratings, 313 are without review. It's over half.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 03:36
Reviews without ratings have been discussed many many times. We feel the balance w have in terms of weightings is the best way to go. Let's leave it at that for a while, and return this thread to discussing individual reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Publius84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 05:38
OK... I'm sorry for that...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Whistler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 05:47
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I am not saying I think this review should be removed.. his opinion is fair and I understand his basic points. However, the advice it gives and demands it makes are questionable, and he could have made his point in a more legitimate and convincing way. His two other reviews are basically fine, and much more succinct

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=137646



 
Dude, that review is freakin' AWESOME! I like the life story aspect, and I the mention of the repetitious riff (dude, though, tis a sweet riff). I still don't understand why if Rick is such an overrated keyboard player (whose sense of fashion far outweighs his finger flashery), when then, did said reviewer name himself...well, you know?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 06:09
I have to say I do agree with The Whistler. While of course I completely disagree with the guy's point of view on CTTE, I think he expressed his opinion in a very articulate, even interesting  way, without trying to put down fans of the album as other people have done in the past. Personally, I think the review is valid, even if somewhat controversial.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2007 at 14:22
Originally posted by Publius84 Publius84 wrote:

OK... I'm sorry for that...
 
No apology necessary!Big%20smile
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I don't know where to post, but I think new system sucks.. Yes it has good things, for example that you must do everything properly... for example because you can't edit your  reviews. Someone said that you can send the new version somewhere but I don't know where.
But here it is now (sorry for posting here but I reall can't find anything - and don't you rate my review, I know you don't like it. Problem in the old review was that my notepad's word wrap didn't work and I didn't notice it when copy-pasting):
 
 
It's hard for me to understand why this album has had so great grades. I think it's not like with L' Isola Di Niente, that I'll learn to love this. Yes, I like this, it's quite nice backround music, but in general, it's too light and neo progressive (neo italo) for me. (PS I say songs though there's no singing)
 
Quite boring, only for guitarists or boring music likers, and for those who like stupid landscapes.
 
First track (La terra dell’acqua - I only mention the name of the song if someone's searching it) starts with lunar keyboards, goes to funkier fusion and after piano goes to guitar fusion. Boring, boring, boring. Well, it's music and I like the sound of those beginning's spacey keyboards. 1,5 stars (radical reflection)
 
Il mondo in testa is happy, forward-heading, melodic. Nice, but picture I have in my mind of this is from some stupid film where this music could be. (PS Have I heard this sometimes before, or is it just so good that I remember it straight after first listening?) 2*
 
La conquista sounds like Red Hot Chili Peppers, actually almost weird cover of one of their songs. But it goes more jazzy (funky bass on the backround - but it has no space or it just don't want to take a role, which I don't particularly like), and I think it has no heart, the riffs are quite weak. Then it goes to dreamy guitar solo jazz fusion rock and roll. To the end of the sdong, it grows faster and bigger. Very boring, once again. Maybe the only great thing is the solo and the sound of it right in the end, it's very refreshing (and it is a thing that some metal bands has used recently (eg Sonata Arctica in "Unia" and well, also The White Stripes (not a metal band)) 1,5*
 
Il sogno di Leonardo - acoustic guitar, flute-sounding keyboards... Actually the instruments and the song sounds much like cheap elevator-jazz... or cheap music for some document or teaching video, for example.  I wonder if everything is played with electric drums, bass, piano etc. But the keyboards or moog (Could it be moog? Well, it is. Quite clean.) are nice once again. Sounds like Gryphon's Lament or something in 4:25. I prefer Gryphon. Song has also old English (or something at the nearby) pastorial feeling with it's violin and guitar and artificial lightness... just like in some cheap videos. 1,4*
 
Cyber alpha, basic guitar hero song, quite nice and short enough. 1,8*
Agua azul has a beginning that I LIKE. I can almost think it continuing as a Air Metal song (You know, the atmosperic semi-acoustic "Progressive" Metal popular nowadays). Or as it was a Technical Metal intro. But I like the song like this. It's occasionally like Mahavishnu Orchestra but not so iritating. Maybe the main melody (at the other half of the song) is what I think is perhaps little bit childish or somehow stupid, artificially powerful, light and guite fast, maybe like a love song. Maybe it is that it's too familiar, like I've heard this before. 3*
 
Nederland 1903. Not so disgusting little light song but the landscapes are something I can's stand. 1,7*
 
I was going to give 2 stars but I give only one because I'm pissed. (Three stars was in my mind for a while but I couldn't give so much because it's not worth it)


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Fixed.
 
Anyway, you can PM me or Easy Livin' in case you need some help with the reviews. Thanks!
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I've read some real good reviews here... and I just read another.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=144966

Sure as hell am glad he's back.

The damnest thing about it....  Mark is exactly right.  Being a bit on the chinsy side... I have never really owned a nice stereo system.  May have had something to do with who held the purse strings in my past life hahahhah.  However with freedom, and my new home I  invested in a good sound system.  Last weekend we got on the subject of this album in Raff's thread on PM (off topic of course LOL).   I have to admit.... I have been amoung those who has hurled every insult known to man at Moonchild...  but after about 8 or 9 listens.. with a good sound system rather than a goddamned boom box  or computer which was my tricked out sound system for years.  It damned on me.  I for the first time since I had heard the album... enjoyed it... saw what others saw in it.   


Cheers Mark.... and keep those reviews coming.


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Cert has a wonderful way with reviews. He doesn't post that many, but they are works of art.
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that they are. Figured I'd give it a shout out, since he has been away on sabatical for a bit and some newer posters might not know his reviews.  Art is defintely what they are Bob, from pieces that stir the mind... to those.. hahahha damned Opeth reviews which have me ejecting Diet Coke from my nose from laughing so damn hard every time I read them.
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This review is of the wrong album, as "Dr Livingstone I presume" is on "In Search of the Lost Chord".

MOODY BLUES, THE — Days Of Future Passed
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5%20stars The Moody Blues really seem sort of borderline progressive to me these days. Just considering their whole catalog and the early material in the context of other music that was coming out at the time.

This may have been their finest hour. Only track I might kick to the curb: Dr. Livingstone, I Presume. It’s not as disposable as some of their cheesy tracks on other albums, but still, I could live without it.

The rest of pieces are true gems. OK, except for two the poetry pieces, but they are mercifully short. The rest of the album is very moving. It’s likely the best example of psychedelic music you’ll find.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=146078



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2007 at 09:40
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Not an abuse by any means, just an error, but the reviews on the front page are all italicised now...
Hmm, is it abuse to report a bug in the abuse section?LOLThis isn't the first time I've seen the italics thing happen.  Now that I know the cause, I promise not to deliberately make that mistake.



Hey Dude, don't mean to nag but you got your song wrong on your Days of Future Passed review. You mentioned a song from Lost Chord not Days.
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Please kill my In search of a lost chord review that I accidentally submitted and not the newest correctly located one.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Please kill my In search of a lost chord review that I accidentally submitted and not the newest correctly located one.


I don't know if you got my other post but you list an incorrect song on your Days of Future Passed review. nag nag nag!
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Please kill my In search of a lost chord review that I accidentally submitted and not the newest correctly located one.
 
Could you inform the review number you want to see deleted, Brian? I mean you want to delete your DOFP review, no? Wacko


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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Please kill my In search of a lost chord review that I accidentally submitted and not the newest correctly located one.


I don't know if you got my other post but you list an incorrect song on your Days of Future Passed review. nag nag nag!


It would be really helpful if yo itentifiedimer the scruwp...
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I could fix it myself.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Please kill my In search of a lost chord review that I accidentally submitted and not the newest correctly located one.


I don't know if you got my other post but you list an incorrect song on your Days of Future Passed review. nag nag nag!


It would be really helpful if yo itentifiedimer the scruwp...
LOL

I could fix it myself.
 
Done. Misplaced review deleted. Tongue
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this is one hell of a nice review... of a favorite album of mine.. Great review Josh

MAGMA

Magma (Kobaïa)

1970

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4%20stars And thus it begins...

Christian Vander, a young classically-trained and intelligent-thinking session drummer of France, who had worked on a number of R&B and jazz recordings, decided it time to form his own band. Immensely inspired by jazz-saxophonist legend John Coltrane, he formed an elite group of flautists, saxophonists, guitarists, pianists and bassists. Though the band is recognized as a French band, founded and based in France, none of the musicians (well, some during this line-up) are actually French. Klaus Blasquiz (one of the more notable contributions) is Basque; Christian (the heart and soul of the project) is three quarters German and a quarter Polish. Why is this important to note? Because during this era (and possibly still to a degree today) the French generally desired little or no innovation on the grounds of art.

Deciding to turn their backs on the French standard, and adopting a mildly avant-garde disposition, in 1969, in Paris, they began their foray into jazz territory. Though hugely inspired by Coltrane, Vander and listeners will all agree there is virtually no musical connection between the two. Though at first they were met with apathy by the general public, they slowly gained recognition and respect, until in 1970 they obtained a chance to record this: their double debut. The fact that they were given the real estate of two entire discs for the debut is notable. At the time, many thought Magma would turn out to be “the next big thing”.

With their own constructed language, Kobaïan, they recounted futuristic tales illuminating the doomed future of mankind, the silliness of their ways, and, alas, the slim but apparent hope for the future. Disc one deals with the group of peaceful separatists who invest their money into the construction of a spacecraft and depart Earth, to make for a new home. Their rationale for leaving is their lack of hope for Earth's future, and lack of faith in its political structure. But, most importantly, Earth was lost spiritually, and the separatists desired a more spiritual (but not religious – there’s a great difference) culture. In fact, Vander himself states that his largest inspiration for the concept of Magma was a "vision of humanity's spiritual and ecological future." Along their way, the colonists rest on foreign planets, trying them out, until finally they find the perfect Kobaïa. Through much hardship they arrive here and begin their new world, erect buildings, establish are just and fully democratic political system, and live in peace for many years. The key of the new civilization is their ability to find harmony with nature, yet strive for technological advancements. The Kobaïans truly found a balance in this ideal society.

Disc one is more of a backstory and history to the entire Kobaïan saga. Disc Two (though still much a history) is the beginning of the true story. Much further into the future, descendants of the original colonists see a heavily damaged spacecraft floating hopelessly outside the atmosphere, unable to land, and trapped in perpetual orbit. They themselves fly up and rescue the passengers of the totaled vehicle, to find that they are the long-forgotten Earthlings. The Earth-dwellers recount the depth Earth has fallen to; the corruptness of the political leaders; the horrors, disasters, wars, and general deterioration that Earth has been subject to. Their pleas are heard by the Kobaïans, and with only minor hesitations, they set off with the Earthlings for their ancient forefathers' home. This is as far as the words will take us on this release; the rest of this album must be heard, and there is a dimension of the story that is purely musical.

Musically, Kobaïa (or Magma, whichever name you wish to refer to it by) is a quickly evolving avant-garde jazz release, with very little Zeuhl. Marching themes, operatic vocals, grand scale, and the mild minimalism influence are all yet to be worked into the fabric of the band, though still dimly appear for scarce moments here. Just like the dialogue of the album is greatly the Kobaïan history, the music of this album is the greatly a prelude to Zeuhl. This side of Zeuhl will always be in the genre's mind: the sharp and tight arrangements, balanced with the organic and improvised playing, and even scattered beautiful melodies. However, most bands in this great genre focus on the Zeuhl sound finally generated with 1973's Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh (largely considered the first and classic album of the genre). Regardless, the music is addictive and tasty whether it is true Zeuhl or not.

When first I purchased this album, I was fully prepared to bestow it a five star rating, but after hearing the rest of Magma’s catalogue, it sent things into perspective. By the huge standards they later set for themselves, this is certainly not a full masterpiece. Musically it is phenomenal, and the narration it depicts is vital to the understanding of the later albums, however it is not as spiritual as their other albums. Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh, Wurdah Ïtah, and Köhntarkösz are all extremely holy, in a sense, with a huge otherworldly atmosphere, a great sense of exaltation for the universe (and, more notably, Kreuhn Kohrman, the Supreme Being). Lastly, the other albums’ vocal work portrayed the act of exorcism and self purification. Here, the vocals are more dissonant in places, and are often sung not much differently than any regular jazz. Magma is anything but a regular jazz band.

Though still a preface to the Zeuhl genre, Magma's debut is wholesome and complete. Conceptually it is not flawed or irrelevant; musically it is unique, challenging, and extremely enjoyable. I personally would not consider this a great starting place for the Zeuhl genre (and there are many who would agree with me), however it is truly the history of the Zeuhl genre, and is essential for any fan of the genre or the band.

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