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theis the one
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 05:25 |
I just buy'd an album, where there only was 45 min. of music, thats not enough when there can be, up to 90. min. i had it, there schould be some more music on the albums.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 06:52 |
A common gripe, this one
The CD format can carry approx 80 minutes of music, but when you have 1970's albums being re-released on CD, they are rarely more than 45 minutes long, so unless a huge amount of unreleased material (of decent quality, one would hope) can be unearthed, we end up buying a half full CD.
Mind you, on the other side of the coin, many new bands try to fill as much of the CD as possible, resulting in quantity, rather than quality(no names, no pack drill, no mention of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers).
I always prefer quality to quantity.
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Joren
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 09:21 |
I don't care if an album is short. Gentle Giant - Three Friends was worth all the money I paid for it!
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 14:41 |
Personally, I love "bonus tracks", they often offer an interesting insight into the history of the tracks on the albums. The Caravan and Yes bonus tracks for example are excellent. In Caravan' case, on the "New Symphonia" album, they were used to recreate the concert in full.
You can always use the stop, skip or programme buttons on the CD player if you don't want to hear them!
I thought the way the Marillion remasters had the exta tracks on a separate CD was a great idea. The original albums were left untouched on one CD for the purists, with a plethora of extras for folks like me on the other!
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AngelRat
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 16:13 |
Lower prices, better sound quality. Muchos older prog albums rereleased on cd sound sh*t. A simple remastering job will do, but seemingly most labels are reluctant to do that, or they do when you've already bought the damn cd out of despair. I bought KC's 'Islands' twice, the old version sounds excruciatingly bad, the remaster sounds 300 times better.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 03 2004 at 22:41 |
Probably I'm a purist and like to have the album exactly as it was released by the authors, I don't want to listen what a producer or a label searching for money decide is better to add.
I don't care for the lenght if a band releases an album with 80 minutes of music it's better (specially if they don't sacrifice quality for quantity as Jim said, but if the band releases an album with certain songs, I want to listen it that way.
If a band has many B sides or unreleased versions, there's always the chance to release a special album after the band is dead so we can have some new stuff after we believed we would never hear something new.
Iván
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 04 2004 at 00:37 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Probably I'm a purist and like to have the album exactly as it was released by the authors, I don't want to listen what a producer or a label searching for money decide is better to add.
I don't care for the lenght if a band releases an album with 80 minutes of music it's better (specially if they don't sacrifice quality for quantity as Jim said, but if the band releases an album with certain songs, I want to listen it that way.
If a band has many B sides or unreleased versions, there's always the chance to release a special album after the band is dead so we can have some new stuff after we believed we would never hear something new.
Iván
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The question is... What would make a CD buyer (You) more inclined to buy a CD?
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Velvetclown
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Posted: August 04 2004 at 14:29 |
Does lifting beer cans count ?????????????????????
Hmm.............I guess not
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 05 2004 at 18:06 |
I am a vynil junkie and hate the over produced sound of CDs.
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: August 05 2004 at 18:45 |
Well, it's quite obvious, the best way to make me buy a CD is to charge a much more reasonable price, instead of adding cool gimmicks. Sure, I'd love to know Bill Bruford's PIN number, but I'm buying the CD for the music!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 05 2004 at 21:52 |
The question is... What would make a CD buyer (You) more inclined to buy a CD? |
Only one thing THE MUSIC.
I don't buy an album for it's lenght, bonus tracks, beautiful art covers (though it helps a bit), footage, etc. I simply buy what I like.
Iván
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NyghtOwl
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Posted: August 07 2004 at 18:09 |
Other...definitely.
If ya have a gooood turntable/amp/stylus etc, then the sound quality of an album (vinyl) is better than CD.
I dunno if this is cos music is movement of air and there is no movement of air with a laser (CD).
anyhows, i record all my stuff @ 96khz, 24bit, and it sounds bloody GREAT! lol
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Life is a beach...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 10:59 |
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 11:16 |
I like the idea of a commentary by the band, but it would have to be on a seperate disc. However I generally agree with Ivan, what we want is to hear the album as the artist intended it.There is a strand of opinion (on different forums) that industry types are demanding that cd's are mastered at maximum volume-Rush's Vapor Trails being the example I am familiar with, and thus making the remaster invaluable. Remastering Vapor Trails will make me buy it again, although you have to shop around-I have purchased albums from Play.com for £7.99 that have been £14.99 in HMV. I am all for copying cd's-I know it is theft, but I view it as a black-market. Black markets exist when a product is in short supply or over-priced.Cd's will never be in short supply therefore it should be a buyers market and it is not.
Rant over.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 12:29 |
I am all for copying cd's-I know it is theft, |
Hi Reed Lover, I'm gonna give you some good news, copying a CD is not always a Civil Crime (And of course is not a felony as RIAA pretends us to believe).
If you own a legally sold album, you're entitled to make copies for your own use.
The law doesn't discriminate between formats, so if I have a vynil copy of Close to the Edge, I believe I'm entitled to make a CD copy because I already paid the rights. Courts are specific in that point, if you bought an album, you're entitled to make copies for your own use.
RIAA wants us to buy the same product as many times as posible, you may have 1 or two vynils (if one got scratched), a cassette tape bought during the late 80's when no more vynils were sold and CD was not a popular item), a CD, a remastered edition, a remnastered edition with bonus tracks and of couse a 5.1 surround edition.
This means you have to pay 6 or 7 times for the same album, I don't think so.
Iván
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 12:51 |
To respond to ivan some of my vinyl has only been played once as I was afraid I would wear it out so I would play it once and transfer it to cassette. And yes I still have a cassette player and listen to certain albums on the cassette player only especially the rare ones which aren't even available on CD. I agree with your point that once you have purchased the work you can do anything you want go use it for skeet shooting, a frisbee for your dogs, whatever, with it because the artists havee recieved their royalties. What do you guys think about buying music second hand?
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 13:23 |
HOW ABOUT SOME BETTER MUSIC
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 16:42 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
[quote]I am all for copying cd's-I know it is theft, |
Hi Reed Lover, I'm gonna give you some good news, copying a CD is not always a Civil Crime (And of course is not a felony as RIAA pretends us to believe).
If you own a legally sold album, you're entitled to make copies for your own use.
I am aware of that but I get DVD's with the UK top 60 albums on in MP3 format every fortnight. That is a wee bit naughty!
Also I distribute them amongst friends, also DVD's etc. Copying is theft if it prevents the original copyright owner from claiming his rightful earnings. I dont include replacing a damaged disc in this if you've already purchased the original. In this case the copying of CD's, DVD's and software for backup purposes should always be legal.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 18:41 |
I agree with your point that once you have purchased the work you can do anything you want go use it for skeet shooting, a frisbee for your dogs, whatever, with it because the artists havee recieved their royalties. |
I go a bit further I believe you can buy ilegal copies in CD format from the black market and it's still legal if you bought the LP's before.
I am aware of that but I get DVD's with the UK top 60 albums on in MP3 format every fortnight. Also I distribute them amongst friends, also DVD's etc. |
Ok, this case is different, if you're busted this will be considered a civil crime.
Iván
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 04 2004 at 19:47 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I agree with your point that once you have purchased the work you can do anything you want go use it for skeet shooting, a frisbee for your dogs, whatever, with it because the artists havee recieved their royalties. |
I go a bit further I believe you can buy ilegal copies in CD format from the black market and it's still legal if you bought the LP's before.
I am aware of that but I get DVD's with the UK top 60 albums on in MP3 format every fortnight. Also I distribute them amongst friends, also DVD's etc. |
Ok, this case is different, if you're busted this will be considered a civil crime.
Iván
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can you post bail for me, old fellow.
See you-know-who is on your case again. You 2 related or something?
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