The Prog-Metal controversy

angelmk wrote: debrewguy wrote: [QUOTE=MikeEnRegalia]Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs Progressive Rap: Dälek wow i didn't know that there is such thing as progressive rap, i have to listen this stuf, i have heard all kinds of prog, but rap?

Hear for yourself: http://www.myspace.com/dalek

You'd be surprised...

It's called Underground Hip-Hop.

not completelly hip-hop, but influenced by it (they used to be dj shadows backup band) highly progressive, a current fave of mine

I think we're getting a bit out of the conversation here. 

chamberry wrote: I think we're getting a bit out of the conversation here.

Good, the prog-metal thing was wore out.

yeah, some people here think that anything they like or find to be "good" is automatically Prog, and it seems they don't care about contradicting 40 years of music! haha



Edited by P.H.P. - October 17 2007 at 21:17

chamberry wrote: Debrewguy, it depends on what you would call "progressive". I wouldn't call it Progressive Rap. Not everything that sounds unique from its roots has to be prog. That's how I see it.

No, no. I just meant that , in the same way that some are unable to see anything related to metal as being progressive rock; they won't see that other genres may have their "progressive" wings. I checked the samples from Dalek as a previous post suggested. And you know, while it is limited exposure, they do incorporate some prog elements. I wouldn't be the one to argue the point, but it would be interesting to see what the rest of their music sounds like. I guess the best example I can give that refers to a genre already accepted at PA is Prog-Folk. For me, folk music is traditional & very set in its' ways. But then I have a few albums from the genre & can see why they are included here & why the genre itself is a legitimate sub-sect of the prog scene.
Maybe it's just that metal is too often seen as a puerile, immature, adolescent male based type of music that just cannot be taken seriously on an artistic level. Yet, the stereotype hides the fact that some, but not all metal is written & played by very serious musicians.

I think the most 'interesting side' of PM is their high skill musicianship. And for myself, the presence of solo between Guitar and Synth being the reason for me to love PM.
Outside their musicianship performance, i think ability to make 'fabulous' lyric especially the concept album created by PM's band could be another reason to love PM.
Briefly, symphonic nuance being the main part of Metal band to be the group of PM.
Correct me if i'm wrong  

The main think, why prog lovers do not fit the metal sounds to be the part of prog is because of 'heavy' and bold distorsi from PM sounds.
And sometimes also because of the presence of 'scream' sound from the vocalist of several PM band.
But for me, PM is the most 'request' Prog sub Genres in these recent years.

Ghost Rider wrote: Easy Money wrote: chamberry wrote: I think we're getting a bit out of the conversation here.  Good, the prog-metal thing was wore out. Unfortunately it wasn't... What I hoped from this thread was for those who are so much against Prog-Metal and don't consider it Prog to come out of the woodwork and explain why it is so. I wanted a debate - civilised, yes, but a REAL debate. However, it seems far too many people are just content with bashing the subgenre without coming forward and illustrating the real reasons of their dislike.