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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Miles had a lot of phases in his career, during the mid-70s he and Pete Cosey had the coolest psychedelic blues band going. Also, his Star People album is jazz-blues.
Your right though B Brew etc is jazz fusion.
'Tis true danged genre jumper. LOL
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Dregs were way better live than on record.
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Points: 66607 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 14:28
Aren't Mister Pink and Mister Floyd a progressive blues band, or just named after blues musicians.
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Miles had a lot of phases in his career, during the mid-70s he and Pete Cosey had the coolest psychedelic blues band going. Also, his Star People album is jazz-blues.
Your right though B Brew etc is jazz fusion.

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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 14:12
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink

Reminds me of that classic line from Blues Brothers: "We play country *and* western!".LOL

Sorry, but I always considered Bluegrass to be closely related to Country, maybe even a sub genre.
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL

I really like the Allman Brothers ... tracks like "Jessica" are hard to top. BTW: The Dregs convered that tune on their live album "California Screamin'", along with a beautiful rendition of Peaches En Regalia.Big%20smile
 
I think Bluegrass as a sub-genre of country is perfectly reasonable.  Extra credit for appreciating early Allman Brothers. Big%20smile
 
California Screamin' is an excellent intro album for those curious about what the Dixie Dregs are all about.
 
But Davis as "progressive blues"?  How about the father or Jazz Rock/Fusion?


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink

Reminds me of that classic line from Blues Brothers: "We play country *and* western!".LOL

Sorry, but I always considered Bluegrass to be closely related to Country, maybe even a sub genre.
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL

I really like the Allman Brothers ... tracks like "Jessica" are hard to top. BTW: The Dregs convered that tune on their live album "California Screamin'", along with a beautiful rendition of Peaches En Regalia.Big%20smile
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Not trying to be snippy or anything, but I am one of the resident US southeasterners around here and I know of which I speak.Tongue
 
Wait a second, Miles Davis as progressive blues?


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Correct, the Dregs were bluegrass jazz fusion.
Progressive rap: Public Enemy
Progressive blues: Miles Davis and Pete Cosey

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL


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The Groundhogs were doing Progressive Blues back in 1970. Try Split (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/76)
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue

Damn ! I was going to buy flowers for my wife & daughter. Now I'll have to go use that money to buy these albums. Except for KD Lang. I've heard a lot of her early stuff.
Now can you see the uproar that this would cause if PA actually set these up as prog subgenres ... it would make the Sabbath inclusion look like a tea party. LOL

P.S. And I also couldn't wait to premiere my new signature, which is so very relevant to the rambling nature of many of my posts.Tongue


Edited by debrewguy - October 15 2007 at 12:57
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Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

prog METAL? what will they think of next these days!?
 
mmmm.... maybe they will come up with something ORIGINAL... Wink

Well, about the only big musical genres that have yet to sire a "progressive" child are Country, Blues & Rap. I have seen & read a few reviews lately on the so-called alt country scene, and there a few acts that have some extended compositions. GIllian Welch, on her album Time ( the Revelator) closes the record with a 14 minute song - I Dream A Highway. I'm checking the local second shop's CDs to see if I can pick it up cheap, or at least give it a listen. I mean, if we can have prog folk, how much of a stretch is it for prog country ? And I'm not talking about radio stuff, but the more earthy & rootsy music.
As for Rap, there are a few groups that have been mentioned in these pages by others. My view is that outside of acts like the Roots & Outkast, there isn't really any one with the imagination AND mainstream weight to be able to carry it off. But it could happen.
And last, but not least - the blues. This one will likely be the hardest as it is a very restrictive genre, 12 bars & set chord progressions & all. But who knows.


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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

prog METAL? what will they think of next these days!?
 
Prog Rap?
 
I don't have any problem with the concept of prog metal. As I've mentioned before, I think metal is one of the most protean types of pop/rock, so to me it's not inconceivable that a progressive metal style arose.
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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

prog METAL? what will they think of next these days!?
 
mmmm.... maybe they will come up with something ORIGINAL... Wink
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But this is why prog an especially prog-metal is such a good sub-genre because there is somthing for everyone. If you hate DT but like Pink Floyd then go and have alook at Riverside or Opeth for example. But I know what Ghost Rider means by DT clones (even though the new Circus Maximus album is amazing BECAUSE its a CM album). I went to see DT and Symphony X last night at Wembly, I had mainly gone to see SymX as I saw DT 2 years ago. But I found myself really enjoying DT's set because that excitement and awe from seeing them 2 years ago was out of my system and was able to just appreciate what they do and just WATCH and LISTEN but also because unlike probably 95% of the crowd there last night I have found an realised that Dt aren't the be all and end all of Prog-metal.
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2007 at 11:54
prog METAL? what will they think of next these days!?


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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2007 at 11:26
Eh, some of the best prog artists aren't easily pigeonholed into one sub-genre category, what the hell are you going to do?
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It is beginning to sound like we need a sub-genre for artists who span multiple sub-genres - as we have noted in the past, some bands jump sub-genres between albums, others mix subs within a single album.
 
At the moment Heavy-Prog, Eclectic and Xover are for Art Rock related artists - As I understand the purpose of the split it was to make one large sub more managable, not to make homes for difficult to place artists, even though in rare instances this can be the case.
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