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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:54
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue

Damn ! I was going to buy flowers for my wife & daughter. Now I'll have to go use that money to buy these albums. Except for KD Lang. I've heard a lot of her early stuff.
Now can you see the uproar that this would cause if PA actually set these up as prog subgenres ... it would make the Sabbath inclusion look like a tea party. LOL

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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:56
The Groundhogs were doing Progressive Blues back in 1970. Try Split (http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/76)
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 13:23
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL


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Correct, the Dregs were bluegrass jazz fusion.
Progressive rap: Public Enemy
Progressive blues: Miles Davis and Pete Cosey

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Not trying to be snippy or anything, but I am one of the resident US southeasterners around here and I know of which I speak.Tongue
 
Wait a second, Miles Davis as progressive blues?


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink

Reminds me of that classic line from Blues Brothers: "We play country *and* western!".LOL

Sorry, but I always considered Bluegrass to be closely related to Country, maybe even a sub genre.
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL

I really like the Allman Brothers ... tracks like "Jessica" are hard to top. BTW: The Dregs convered that tune on their live album "California Screamin'", along with a beautiful rendition of Peaches En Regalia.Big%20smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue
 
Ok, speaking as an Atlanta dweller since '72 and having lived all my life in the southeast US, you can't really classify the Dregs as progressive country.  (I've seen these guys live more times that it will ever be possible to see another band, seriously, I lost count.)  They'd do one obligatory track each album, but it was always progressive bluegrass and not country. Wink

Reminds me of that classic line from Blues Brothers: "We play country *and* western!".LOL

Sorry, but I always considered Bluegrass to be closely related to Country, maybe even a sub genre.
 
I might also add that if you haven't heard any early Allman Brothers and are a self respecting prog head, you really need to or I'm going to have to tie you to the whipping post! LOL

I really like the Allman Brothers ... tracks like "Jessica" are hard to top. BTW: The Dregs convered that tune on their live album "California Screamin'", along with a beautiful rendition of Peaches En Regalia.Big%20smile
 
I think Bluegrass as a sub-genre of country is perfectly reasonable.  Extra credit for appreciating early Allman Brothers. Big%20smile
 
California Screamin' is an excellent intro album for those curious about what the Dixie Dregs are all about.
 
But Davis as "progressive blues"?  How about the father or Jazz Rock/Fusion?


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Miles had a lot of phases in his career, during the mid-70s he and Pete Cosey had the coolest psychedelic blues band going. Also, his Star People album is jazz-blues.
Your right though B Brew etc is jazz fusion.

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Aren't Mister Pink and Mister Floyd a progressive blues band, or just named after blues musicians.
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Dregs were way better live than on record.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Miles had a lot of phases in his career, during the mid-70s he and Pete Cosey had the coolest psychedelic blues band going. Also, his Star People album is jazz-blues.
Your right though B Brew etc is jazz fusion.
'Tis true danged genre jumper. LOL
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Dregs were way better live than on record.
 
Yeah, if you've had the privilege of seeing them live, that's a major understatement. Big%20smile
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 15:36
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I have always felt that King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man was the first prog metal song.



out of curiousity... why....   because it is 'heavy'
 
I always considered Black Sabbath's Symptom of the Universe to be the first (proto-)Prog Metal song.

and I always considered High Tide's "Death Warmed Up" to be the first metal song


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where's the stuck record emoticon when one needs it???
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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Experimental Country: k.d. lang
Progressive Blues: Scott Henderson
Progressive Rap: Dälek

Just some wild associations from the back of my head!Tongue

Damn ! I was going to buy flowers for my wife & daughter. Now I'll have to go use that money to buy these albums. Except for KD Lang. I've heard a lot of her early stuff.
Now can you see the uproar that this would cause if PA actually set these up as prog subgenres ... it would make the Sabbath inclusion look like a tea party. LOL

P.S. And I also couldn't wait to premiere my new signature, which is so very relevant to the rambling nature of many of my posts.Tongue
 
You europeans and north-americans.... you live in deceit.... it's obvious that you haven't heard reggaetton.... now whoever gives me an example of prog-reggaetton, him alone I will respect in the world....
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Points: 10680 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 20:24
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Dregs were way better live than on record.

 

Yeah, if you've had the privilege of seeing them live, that's a major understatement. Big%20smile


I wasn't a big fan of the Dregs till I saw them live at an outdoor festival in Memphis somewhere about '82. Really fun band, and people were dancing, something you rarely see at a fusion show. Lots of high speed 2 beat stuff, something I'm usually not crazy about, but they gave it so much energy.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

where's the stuck record emoticon when one needs it???
We could also use a "blow you a raspberry" one.Big%20smile
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Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

[QUOTE=MikeEnRegalia]Progressive Country: Dixie Dregs
Progressive Rap: Dälek

wow i didn't know that there is such thing as progressive rap, i have to listen this stuf, i have heard all kinds of prog, but rap?
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I have always felt that King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man was the first prog metal song.
out of curiousity... why....   because it is 'heavy'

 

I always considered Black Sabbath's Symptom of the Universe to be the first (proto-)Prog Metal song.
and I always considered High Tide's "Death Warmed Up" to be the first metal song


I can see that. Interesting band.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 12:11
Hopefully I won't end up with a stuck record emoticon tooLOL, but I love "Death Warmed Up", whether it is the  first PM song or not. It's actually one of my favourite instrumentals of all time, and highly recommended to anyone who isn't familiar with the band.
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