Black Sabbath inclusion

rushfan4 wrote: micky wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Prog Related probably needs its own set of star definitions replacing the "prog" with the "rock". and why don't we change the name of the site as well   It is a prog site... personally I think a few 1 star reviews based on the 'prog quotient' of the music, isn't going to have people jumping off bridges.   First off, as I said in my original long-winded and dry quote for which your eyes probably glossed over and you didn't bother or finish to read (or only read want you wanted to read) I did say that those who review the Sabbath reviews should not give them 5 stars because they are not prog masterpieces, unless the reviewer really thinks that they are prog masterpieces.  But I also think that there will be too many people who are peeved because of this addition to the site, even though as only prog-related, who will give 1 star ratings just because they are peeved and not because the albums are poor.  If you have listened to the Sabbath albums and think that they are poor then please feel free to give it a 1 star; preferrably with a well-written and thought out explanation not a one sentence "Sabbath sucks and shouldn't be on a prog website".    My follow-up sentence that you quoted was in agreement with responses made by Finnforest and your beloved.  I don't think that that is a bad idea since prog-related has been separated from prog and is not being included on the page 1 list with prog bands.  As Raff said, she has given some prog-related bands a 5-star rating because they are masterpieces of MUSIC, but based on the guidelines of this site, a 5-star rating means that it is a prog-rock masterpiece.  Does that mean that the wording should be changed?  I think it would make sense, but I also don't think it is a big deal because I think that we are smart enough to make the distinction that because it is prog-related, a 5 star just means it is a masterpiece in the reviewers beliefs not a prog rock masterpiece.

I answered your post without quoting the big one...sorry about that....  who really gives a flip if they do get 1 star reviews. I hope you aren't planning on jumping off a bridge for a few ignorant 1 star reviews.  We have all kinds of reviews.. the good.. and the bad.  The reviews you speak of are of course the bad ones... until we decide to edit people's opinions .. we have to live with it.  Do you really think anyone pays attention to 1 star reviews that took 5 seconds to write.. no... only those who place some notion in those damn rankings as if it were a game.  If some clown wants to give it one star because it isn't prog.. so what.   This is a prog site..  and the life of the site is having differing opinions...  but what should not be a matter of opinion is this is a prog site.  And we have PROG reviewers here... not album reviewers.

that was a hell of a nice bio Hugues... good one 

Sean Trane wrote: Wow when I start a thread about a 10000% prog bands, it doesn't get to the second pâge unless I bump it up six times. Here inless than 3/4 of one day, we're at 4 pages.     You guys sure you like prog?????

Edited by rushfan4 - October 12 2007 at 18:05

A B Negative wrote: I first found Prog Archives when I was looking for information about Krautrock. Although I was familiar with most of the "big" prog groups and some of the less well known,  I had no idea just how much prog was out there. PA has helped me discover some fantastic music.   If someone stumbles upon PA while looking for information about Black Sabbath, I reckon it can go two ways. Either they'll say "Sabbath aren't prog" and look elsewhere or, like me, they'll find out about fantastic music they never knew existed.

I'm happy Black Sabbath, the grandfathers of metal, and the infleuence of heavy music as a whole, are here! 

Yeah, Metallica should also be here, but they were already rejected...

M@x's argument is basically "Sabbath influenced every metal group, so they influenced prog metal."  Well, Chuck Berry influenced every rock group, and thus he influenced prog rock, but that doesn't mean HE should be here.  Black Sabbath's influence was not related to progressiveness at all.  This is just another silly move towards including every classic rock act ever into the Prog Archives.  

rileydog22 wrote: M@x's argument is basically "Sabbath influenced every metal group, so they influenced prog metal."  Well, Chuck Berry influenced every rock group, and thus he influenced prog rock, but that doesn't mean HE should be here.  Black Sabbath's influence was not related to progressiveness at all.  This is just another silly move towards including every classic rock act ever into the Prog Archives.

listen to the albums from Sabbath bloody Sabbath to Never Say Die you'll be surprised how proggy they actually became

Rock 'n' roll begat rock, rock begat prog rock. 

Replace Chuck Berry with Cream, if you'd prefer a more immediate influence. 

Towards...of all things...blues based rock!  It's basically Cream, but simpler and with more distortion.  

I don't care who they decide put on here, but there are a lot of blues derived riffs in Sabbath's music.