Black Sabbath inclusion

Certif1ed wrote: Atavachron wrote: my position on Metallica has actually softened but one thing Sabbath has on their side is that they were active during the prog era which gives them some credibility as a parallel part of the Prog family...  Metallica don't have that on their side.   Indeed, but what Metallica have on their side is that Dream Theater used their riffs, song and bridge structures, overall methods of composition, and covered their albums, and...

yeah, not gonna go down that road

Atavachron wrote: Certif1ed wrote: Atavachron wrote: my position on Metallica has actually softened but one thing Sabbath has on their side is that they were active during the prog era which gives them some credibility as a parallel part of the Prog family...  Metallica don't have that on their side.   Indeed, but what Metallica have on their side is that Dream Theater used their riffs, song and bridge structures, overall methods of composition, and covered their albums, and... yeah, not gonna go down that road

I have been into progressive rock since the beginning. Sabbath was a heavy band that was in good favour with the progressive rock crowd, but they were never considered a progressive band.
I can think of a lot of people I would have placed before them:

John Cale: He was a conservatory trained composer who made records combining contemporary concert hall music with rock. He was making loud electronic drone music with the Dream Syndicate as early as 64.
When he was in the VU they were a far different band from what they became. His use of repeating organ and viola parts made the VU a background rhythm for his experiments mixing minimalism with rock.

Brian Auger: Excellent British keyboardist, he was a huge influence on Lord and Emmerson as well as many others. He combined psychedelic rock and jazz early on to make groundbreaking music.

Hendrix: Poor Jimi has been reduced to being a gratuituos guitar hero for the masses. The truth is, his guitar playing has been surpassed by Pete Cosey, John McLaughlin, Blackmore, Beck, Van Halen, Vai etc.

It may sound pretentious, but Jimi's main contribution was that he was a shaman who revolutionized rock music.
Also,he was there side by side with Soft Machine and Floyd bringing the new sound of rock to the masses.
His effect on others was huge. Just talk to Fripp, Emmerson, Blackmore and almost any founder of progressive rock and ask what they think of his contribution.
Also, in his later years he was able to break free from those who saught to control his career and and was able to write deep songs about loneliness and alienation full of suprising structures and chord changes ie progressive rock.

I apologise for the totally useless post, but this is a thread about the inclusion of Black Sabbath in PA - not about Metallica, Jimi Hendrix or I don't know how many other bands and artists. Don't you all think it would be better to start another thread titled, "Bands/artists I believe to be influential for prog, or otherwise influenced by it"?

In any case, no one is going to agree on anything. It's been CLEARLY said the admission was requested by the site owner, but still I'm sure in the next few hours there'll be people at each other's throats. What really bugs me big time is PA is considered a 'traitor' to the supposed purity of prog, when there are sites bearing the same word 'prog' in their names, and having everything from The Human League to Toto to Jane's Addiction in their database.

Ghost Rider wrote: I apologise for the totally useless post, but this is a thread about the inclusion of Black Sabbath in PA - not about Metallica, Jimi Hendrix or I don't know how many other bands and artists. Don't you all think it would be better to start another thread titled, "Bands/artists I believe to be influential for prog, or otherwise influenced by it"? In any case, no one is going to agree on anything. It's been CLEARLY said the admission was requested by the site owner, but still I'm sure in the next few hours there'll be people at each other's throats. What really bugs me big time is PA is considered a 'traitor' to the supposed purity of prog, when there are sites bearing the same word 'prog' in their names, and having everything from The Human League to Toto to Jane's Addiction in their database.

Oh you don't have to take me too seriously, I just thought I saw a format for some petty griping and complaining. Mostly I just like to talk music trivia and throw some opinions out there. Just passing the time really, damn insomnia.

Sean Trane wrote: Angelo wrote: Hughues, why did you leave that annoyingly long discography list in the bio? It's duplication of information at best    Because you're supposed to fill it in >> this is in the form you have to fill in., for one   I stopped at 1998, so it should be longer, for two   I didn't pit the posthumous release, compilations and other, just historical studios and live albums. >> so I kept it short, for three

I see....

Sean Trane wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: There is going to be a lot of flack and negative reviews concerning BS.   I hate to say it but get used to it,you guys wanted them here and they are here,not everybody is going to like it. did you check earlier in the post what I asked you and mike about the review?, I just don't want to inflame any metal ffans by any offhand remark in my review     Jody,   You of all people (as an Admin) should know this was M@X's decision. Bob approached over a month ago for this and I don't  think I have said one bad word of Sabbath in my text. Therefore I don't see why metalheads and PM fans should really take it badly.   I know BS gets a lot of bs for the supposedly satan image, but I don't see the same for hatred for Black Widow.

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That bilious enough for you, Hugues?

 

TheProgtologist wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Cheesecakemouse wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: There is going to be a lot of flack and negative reviews concerning BS.   I hate to say it but get used to it,you guys wanted them here and they are here,not everybody is going to like it. did you check earlier in the post what I asked you and mike about the review?, I just don't want to inflame any metal ffans by any offhand remark in my review     Jody,   You of all people (as an Admin) should know this was M@X's decision. Bob approached over a month ago for this and I don't  think I have said one bad word of Sabbath in my text. Therefore I don't see why metalheads and PM fans should really take it badly.   I know BS gets a lot of bs for the supposedly satan image, but I don't see the same for hatred for Black Widow.   I think you misunderstood my post Hugues.   I said what I said because Michael seemed upset that people were giving Sab albums low ratings without reviews.

Edited by Sean Trane - October 12 2007 at 09:35

So it's done then ?